J.A. Ackley
J.A. Ackley Senior Editor
8/11/23 8:57 a.m.

New Nissan Z. New Nissan Z NISMO. New Nissan Z GT4. In case you couldn’t tell, the Z is important to Nissan, and much of the manufacturer’s effort to push the Z to the forefront centers around the GT4 program.

“The Z-car is the sports car DNA of Nissan,” says Yuzo Ishikawa, corporate vice president for NISMO. “That’s why we …

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300zxfreak
300zxfreak Reader
8/11/23 3:12 p.m.

As a long time Z fan and owner, I'm interested to see how this plays out. I find it also interesting that I have yet to see the latest Z out on the road, anywhere. None, zero, zip, nada......hmmmmm.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
8/11/23 3:13 p.m.

Nissan is selling Z's still?

QuikMcshifterson
QuikMcshifterson New Reader
8/11/23 4:33 p.m.

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

Beat me, I've seen maybe 2 of them on the road. Is the production volume just that low?

J.A. Ackley
J.A. Ackley Senior Editor
8/11/23 5:22 p.m.

So, how many units of the Z has Nissan sold?

Here's the answer, per their reports:

Q2 2023: 500
Q1 2023: 466
Q4 2022: 177
Q3 2022: 86
Total Reported: 1229

To put things in comparison, the number of units sold during that time frame for other Nissan vehicles:
Altima: 124,586
GT-R: 220

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
8/11/23 5:43 p.m.

In the past year it averaged 100/month or 2 per US state? Mr. Z book tells of the Z - compare the volume.  

I understand we don't have enough chips, so that might hold up production but what a difference.  
 

spedracer
spedracer New Reader
8/11/23 8:24 p.m.

Maybe I'm just not hip to the latest and greatest, but I've never seen calipers that look like that (looking at the pic in the article). Does it have calipers that look like that stock? Some odd configuration to make stock spindles work with upgraded brakes?

 

Either way, happy to see more interest in racing. I gotta say though, there's a lot of inertia the wrong way with the Nissan brand IMO. Went to one of their dealerships a while back and left almost immediately. Every car just exuded "rental car" vibes, and the overall brand image seems poor for even non-car-people. On the road I treat any Nissan as a threat, and am correct way too often.

J.A. Ackley
J.A. Ackley Senior Editor
8/12/23 7:35 a.m.

In reply to spedracer :

Good question about the calipers. You won't find those on the production Performance model.

Performance model gets Akebono four-piston calipers on the front, two-piston ones on the rear.

GT4 gets Brembo six-piston calipers on the front, four-piston ones on the rear.

As far as rotors.

Performance: 14-inch up front, 13.8-inch in rear.
GT4: 15.4-inch up front, 13.6-inch in rear.

racerfink
racerfink UberDork
8/12/23 11:34 a.m.

Looks like that caliper is designed to limit flex, and to cool as efficiently as possible.

Erikl
Erikl New Reader
8/12/23 4:24 p.m.

Interesting, what tires do they run in GT4?  Good to know the new Z motor can live on track with out dry-sump oil system.  Suprising, or is that all GT4.

racerfink
racerfink UberDork
8/12/23 5:55 p.m.

In reply to Erikl :

Depends on the sanctioning body.  IMSA runs Michelin, SRO runs Pirelli, 24H runs Hankook.

 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/14/23 9:57 a.m.
racerfink said:

In reply to Erikl :

Depends on the sanctioning body.  IMSA runs Michelin, SRO runs Pirelli, 24H runs Hankook.

 

Yeah, you beat me to it. In most nearly all of today’s professional ranks, the tire make/model is specified by the sanctioning body. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/14/23 9:59 a.m.

I know it’s not a direct competitor (or is it?), but some recent Miata sales numbers:

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
8/14/23 10:49 a.m.

I talked to a dealer near Indianapolis and they were discounting Miata's - maybe only $750 but it's not marked way high.....

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
8/14/23 1:20 p.m.
300zxfreak said:

As a long time Z fan and owner, I'm interested to see how this plays out. I find it also interesting that I have yet to see the latest Z out on the road, anywhere. None, zero, zip, nada......hmmmmm.

Same. The only time I've seen one was at the 12 Hours of Sebring and it was a pace car for one of the races. 

Also from reviews, my deduction is that it seems to be a less than stellar car compared to its competition. Also the upcoming NISMO edition will be auto only.....What is Nissan doing? 

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
8/14/23 1:24 p.m.
DirtyBird222 said:

What is Nissan doing? 

Making money not selling Z cars.

Multiply 125,000 Altimas X an average $34,000 price (guessing)?

$4,250,000,000

How many Sentras they sell?

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/14/23 1:47 p.m.

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/14/23 1:47 p.m.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
8/14/23 2:43 p.m.
Datsun310Guy said:
DirtyBird222 said:

What is Nissan doing? 

Making money not selling Z cars.

Multiply 125,000 Altimas X an average $34,000 price (guessing)?

$4,250,000,000

How many Sentras they sell?

I meant with the auto only NISMO. 

Also the average price of a new Altima is $25k. The demographic for an Altima aren't spending over $30k on a demo derby car. 

Turbo_Rev
Turbo_Rev Reader
8/14/23 3:41 p.m.

I've heard Nissan called the GMC of Japan, I'm wondering if they're more like the Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep. Decent sedans that do most of the heavy lifting with a few way out there sports cars almost no one ever buys. 

Well, I guess the Titan really ruins the metaphor but anyway.

Did they ever solve their "every feature is controlled by a button" problem? I know what the study said about time distracted while using touch screens versus buttons, I don't care. The inside of that rental Maxima looked like the cockpit of the space shuttle. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/15/23 9:20 a.m.

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

I’ve heard a bit of grumbling about the automatic-only Nismo.

So, a question: If the Nismo is the “fast” version and the auto is faster, is that the ideal setup? Or does fun > fast?

Discuss. 

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
8/15/23 9:42 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

I’ve heard a bit of grumbling about the automatic-only Nismo.

So, a question: If the Nismo is the “fast” version and the auto is faster, is that the ideal setup? Or does fun > fast?

Discuss. 

I haven't driven either to have a valid conclusion on the topic. I don't care for the industry trend to kill of the manuals but if people aren't buying them, I understand the business decision. It just sucks for us purists and enthusiast, regardless if the auto is "faster" or not. 

I will say I had a win this summer. I taught my 16 year old niece, a Gen Zer, how to drive stick. You know what she went out and bought as her first car? A 8th gen Civic Si, which only comes equipped with a manual. 

 

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