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Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/9/21 11:25 a.m.

I rented a fun new toy for a special adventure this weekend (sorry, no spoilers... but definitely a GRM worthy pickup).

For just $91, this magic trailer drops all the way to the ground and lets you load up to 4500 lbs. of stuff onto it, then raises back up for travel with a hydraulic ram.

How did I live so long without knowing these existed? And how do I stop myself from spending $91 every time I want to move something now?

And yes, I looked up the price to just buy one... looks like I'm borrowing a $10,000 trailer. surprise

chandler
chandler UltimaDork
7/9/21 11:33 a.m.

I've only seen them in the narrow build so it not useful most of the time for the stuff I trailer. 

iansane
iansane HalfDork
7/9/21 11:54 a.m.

One of my vendors specializes in forklifts and electric equipment motor rebuilding. He's got a dual axle version that's SO cool. Both axles are on rams as well as the gooseneck arm setup. Looks crazy complicated.

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia SuperDork
7/9/21 12:21 p.m.

guys that sell big safes use them , 

and I have seen a model made for Harleys since they are pretty heavy to push up a regular trailer ramp , 

There was also a  thread here ( I think) of an Australian design that used simple hydraulics  , 

If anyone was building them I would love a simple car hauler one !

found it

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/trailer-designs-and-my-latest-whacky-design/153439/page1/

Woody (Forum Supportum)
Woody (Forum Supportum) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/9/21 12:27 p.m.

The closest I've seen to this was when I bought a car from a guy who had an airbagged car trailer. It dropped all the way down and I don't think he even needed ramps. Great idea for so many reasons.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
7/9/21 12:32 p.m.

It's not a problem for you floridians but winter with these sucks. The hydraulics freeze and the joints wont move so you can't use it

 

NorseDave
NorseDave Reader
7/9/21 12:55 p.m.

When I bought my 2200# mill, I rented one of these.  It was a godsend.  The guy/place selling the mill had an enormous excavator, so he just hung the mill to the underside of the bucket and picked it up like it was a bag of groceries, but sadly I had no such equipment once it got home.  Took the pyramid-building approach of using multiple pipes as rollers to get it off and into position.  

I don't really have any idea what I would have done had the trailer deck been 18" off the ground.  Pucker factor would have been much, much, much higher. 

So yeah, those things are great.

thashane
thashane GRM+ Memberand Reader
7/9/21 1:29 p.m.

I never realized there were hydraulic roll-back trailers, which seem to be popular around here (if your car costs more than $50k)

dps214
dps214 Dork
7/9/21 1:54 p.m.

https://www.futuratrailers.com/index.asp?page=xcomingsoon&sef=&noredir=1

As cool as they are, we've found that a $40 set of truck ramps and some 2x12s works just as well and takes about as much time and effort.

Mr_Asa
Mr_Asa UberDork
7/9/21 2:03 p.m.
NorseDave said:

When I bought my 2200# mill, I rented one of these.  It was a godsend.  The guy/place selling the mill had an enormous excavator, so he just hung the mill to the underside of the bucket and picked it up like it was a bag of groceries, but sadly I had no such equipment once it got home.  Took the pyramid-building approach of using multiple pipes as rollers to get it off and into position.  

I don't really have any idea what I would have done had the trailer deck been 18" off the ground.  Pucker factor would have been much, much, much higher. 

So yeah, those things are great.

This is the most common use case I've seen them in action for.  Mills and lathes and other heavy stationary equipment.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/9/21 2:34 p.m.
Mr_Asa said:  Mills and lathes and other heavy stationary equipment.

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Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/9/21 3:03 p.m.

I want one of these trailers where the axle moves forward to drop the deck down.

 

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/9/21 3:44 p.m.

In reply to Tom Suddard :

Tom

How is the balance of that trailer?  It looks like the weight would be further to the back than optimal especially if you had to load a car with the engine towards the rear or is that just the photo making it look worse than it is?  

WonkoTheSane
WonkoTheSane GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/9/21 3:46 p.m.

In reply to Tom Suddard :

Sounds like someone got sick of messing around with ~$500 chinese routers/tiny-mills :)

psteav (Forum Supporter)
psteav (Forum Supporter) Dork
7/9/21 3:49 p.m.

In reply to WonkoTheSane :

Well, apparently.  We've been waiting for updates for like three months.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/9/21 3:57 p.m.

In reply to psteav (Forum Supporter) :

I've been busy! Didn't you notice we got GRM+, a rebuilt 350Z engine, etc.?cheeky The horrible terrible miserable 6040 Chinese router isn't going anywhere. And I have managed to cut stuff with it! laugh

CrustyRedXpress
CrustyRedXpress HalfDork
7/9/21 4:37 p.m.

In reply to Tom Suddard :

Jealous as hell if you're getting a real mill! 

I'm almost begining to see how useful one could be for auto stuff.

New York Nick
New York Nick GRM+ Memberand Reader
7/9/21 5:48 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

Those big trailers are made by Landoll and are amazing for rigging equipment. Our local rigging company has one and it is impressive how much that helps with that. 
 

I tried to find a link but I can't. Not sure if they went out of business or what. There used to be a trailer company called Texas Rollback and the axles on those slid to the front and it dropped like a Landoll. You moved it by unlocking the axle holding the trailer brake and backing up. I always thought they were cool. Bat fruitless search took me here eventually https://fabplans.com/

I guess it's good that I have way too many partial projects to start another one now.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/9/21 6:10 p.m.

In reply to dean1484 :

The deck is only 10' long, and I'd say the wheels are centered on the flat part of it. I haven't towed it with any weight yet, but empty it's miserable. Somehow it bounces around like an empty boat trailer while weighing probably 1000 lbs. 

I find the car trailers similar to this fascinating. Is it Bill Cuttitta who usually tows to the Challenge with one?

Brotus7
Brotus7 Dork
7/9/21 7:05 p.m.

What'd you buy that's massive, a mill?  I checked the local rental places when in dragged mine home. Definitely would have been easier than my landscaping trailer.

wheelsmithy (Joe-with-an-L)
wheelsmithy (Joe-with-an-L) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
7/9/21 7:24 p.m.

Make mine pneumatic, please.

 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/9/21 7:41 p.m.
New York Nick said:

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

Those big trailers are made by Landoll and are amazing for rigging equipment. Our local rigging company has one and it is impressive how much that helps with that. 
 

I tried to find a link but I can't. Not sure if they went out of business or what. There used to be a trailer company called Texas Rollback and the axles on those slid to the front and it dropped like a Landoll. You moved it by unlocking the axle holding the trailer brake and backing up. I always thought they were cool. Bat fruitless search took me here eventually https://fabplans.com/

I guess it's good that I have way too many partial projects to start another one now.

I came up with a CAD file that I could manipulate parameters to try to make it work by modifying something like an RV trailer frame.  My problem is that I want to do it with a bumper-tow.  With the hitch point that low, I can't get the geometry to work.  I finally got the deck to the ground but the axle had to slide the whole way to the front, which means when you start to slide it back and lift with a load on it I think it would just rip the ball off or lift the tow vehicle.  40 feet worth of 8000 lbs being leveraged with 4 feet of tongue is (let's see, carry the 5, account for bounce and acceleration...) somwhere north of 100k lbs.

I remember when they delivered my 40' container in downtown L.A.  The way he was able to get it slid in the perfect spot was impressive, even using a little english by pulling the trailer away at an angle to squirt it over into place, then adjusting the last inch by backing the trailer into the corner of the box and pushing.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/11/21 7:24 a.m.


 

My offering to the tool gods is loaded up; it's time to go on an adventure! 

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/11/21 9:56 a.m.

That thing is cool!!!  I could use a smaller version for things like a riding mower or if you are moving engin/trans combo or tool box's. That would be so useful. 

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