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dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/11/15 10:16 a.m.

Hummm you guys are evil. You have me thinking I should come down there with my x-type. I think the budjet would work. hummmmm.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
8/11/15 11:18 a.m.

Yes, the X type would qualify you as an Aristocrat!

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/11/15 12:42 p.m.

Specs for the x-type

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2004/1292750/jaguar_x-type_3_0_automatic.html

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/11/15 12:43 p.m.

Not sure if that takes in to account for the "s" button and/or the AWD.

rcutclif
rcutclif GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/11/15 2:07 p.m.
dean1484 wrote: Specs for the x-type http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2004/1292750/jaguar_x-type_3_0_automatic.html

I'll add them to the table in a bit

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
8/11/15 4:25 p.m.

Driver just called. The semi will arrive at my house in about 1 hour!

problemaddict
problemaddict HalfDork
8/11/15 5:10 p.m.

I needed this "Aristocrats" class in $2005!! "I* could'a been a contenda!" w/ the Ratty Caddy. (Also picked up the day before the Challenge). I think it came in dead last ahead of the DNFs

*We could'a been contenders. Thanks Paul! (SVreX)

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
8/11/15 6:59 p.m.

A little photo essay:

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand New Reader
8/11/15 7:12 p.m.

Where's the hail damage? Looks real nice.

Stampie

ValuePack
ValuePack SuperDork
8/11/15 9:20 p.m.

Looks a little golf ball-y, but not offensively so. The underside makes my cold Yankee heart grow three times it size.

But, that freaking Citation!

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
8/11/15 11:30 p.m.
problemaddict wrote: I needed this "Aristocrats" class in $2005!! "I* could'a been a contenda!" w/ the Ratty Caddy. (Also picked up the day before the Challenge). I think it came in dead last ahead of the DNFs *We could'a been contenders. Thanks Paul! (SVreX)

Dude!

I have SO wanted some pics of the Ratty Caddy in action!

But, I'm pretty sure you are mistaken- It was a long way from last IIRC.

Got any pics of a gang of bobble-headed helmeted goons on board?

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
8/12/15 5:24 a.m.
Stampie wrote: Where's the hail damage? Looks real nice. Stampie

The hail damage looks as if the car may have been used as the rehearsal car for the Whitesnake video and in that rehearsal it was discovered that having Tawny wear stiletto high heels was a bad idea.

https://youtu.be/i3MXiTeH_Pg

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
8/12/15 5:59 a.m.

In reply to JohnRW1621:

You'll look good in a big pouffy blonde mullet.

tb
tb GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
8/12/15 6:42 a.m.

I think that my $2010 (?) car might qualify for 'Aristocrat' status:

'95 SAAB 9000cse

I paid $800 for it and remember the window sticker in the car was $38,800; pretty hefty price tag for its day.

Admittedly, I was only a 4 cyl with a 5 speed but it was a surprising excellent platform. I brought it in under $1005 and managed top half in the autocross with low 15 quarters. The FL weather brought boost issues for a New England setup and it ran low 14's in NH.

Very comfy, excellent economy and stupid mid range acceleration; I put about 5k miles on that car before it moved on to the BABE rally and might be in the process of trying to track i down now...

problemaddict
problemaddict HalfDork
8/12/15 7:42 a.m.
SVreX wrote: Dude! I have SO wanted some pics of the Ratty Caddy in action! But, I'm pretty sure you are mistaken- It was a long way from last IIRC. Got any pics of a gang of bobble-headed helmeted goons on board?

Maybe I was thinking dead last in the concourse...

I'll check later for more pix...

rcutclif
rcutclif GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/12/15 9:45 a.m.

adding 2004 x-type

  • length BMW 193 in, Q 200 in, Merc 203 in, OCC 217.5 in, X 184 in
  • width BMW 72.6 in, Q 71.9 in, Merc 71.7 in, OCC 79.7 in, X 70.4 in
  • height BMW 56.5 in, Q 56.3 in, Merc 56.7 in, OCC 60.3 in, X 54.8 in
  • weight BMW 4120 lbs, Q 3950 lbs, Merc 3527 lbs, OCC 4200?? lbs, X 3640 lbs
  • wheelbase BMW 116 in, Q 113.2 in, Merc 121.1 in, OCC 115.9 in, X 106.7 in
  • layout BMW FERWD, Q FERWD, Merc FERWD, OCC FERWD, X FEAWD
  • transmission BMW 4 speed auto, Q 4 speed auto, Merc 4 speed auto, OCC 4 speed auto, X 5 speed auto
  • year of manufacture BMW 1990, Q 1990, Merc 1987, OCC 1992, X 2004
  • differential BMW clutch pack LSD, Q viscous LSD, Merc probably LSD, OCC probably order-only LSD option, X probably center LSD only
  • horsepower BMW 296, Q 278, Merc 148, OCC 180, X 227
  • torque BMW 330, Q 292, Merc 273, OCC 300, X 206
  • displacement BMW 5.0L, Q 4.5L, Merc 3.0L, OCC 5.7L, X 3.0L
  • exterior color BMW white, Q white, Merc GOLD!, OCC White, X silver?
  • original base MSRP BMW $74,000, Q $38,000, Merc $50,650, OCC $18,223, X $33,730
  • original MSRP in 2015 dollars BMW $135,113, Q $69,382, Merc $106,400, OCC $30,996, X $42,611
  • depreciation needed to get to the challenge BMW $133,098, Q $67,367, Merc $104,385, OCC $28,981, X $40,594
rcutclif
rcutclif GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/12/15 9:50 a.m.

In reply to JohnRW1621:

That car looks awesome. Fix the brakes and I bet it will be brand new. Great buy.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
8/12/15 7:42 p.m.
tb wrote: I think that my $2010 (?) car might qualify for 'Aristocrat' status:

TB,
You alone deserve to be part of The Aristocracy but the Saab 9000 seals the deal for sure.
Saab 9-5 would be fitting of an Aristocrat but the more lowly Saab 9-3 driven by common folk leaves questions.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
8/12/15 7:48 p.m.

The Chevy Citation on the car hauler really caught my eye. It looked like a possible LeChump car. I had hoped that The Challenge Gods had conspired to deliver me two cars! It has some decals but you could tell that other decals had been removed too. It was fitted with very low profile, full racing slicks all around. The paint was dull and chalky but the who car looked very solid and sorted.

The sunlight kept me from getting a good picture and the traffic kept me from getting more full body pictures from farther away. Add to that the distraction of a new car arrival and I unfortunately never got to really see much of it.

tb
tb GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
8/12/15 8:41 p.m.

In reply to JohnRW1621:

I really do love me some eurotrash luxury, but am rockin a lowly 3 series these days...

Looks like my current plan is much like last year so I feel free to blow up the current Infiniti in the most spectacular way possible, Q-ballah is always down to make sure the party still happens.

Maybe I should show up in a prius? Kinda like the new version of the uptight shiny happy person car for when your neighbors would talk E36 M3 on another Merc at the club...

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
8/15/15 11:01 a.m.

Today, I got my first chance to wash the exterior of the car.
I made one small mod:

Later, Rock Auto arrived.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/15/15 12:45 p.m.

For the jag. LSD frount and rear. Center dif/ transfer case is a geared unit no LSD nl viscous. It is direct drive so all four wheels turn together. A real pita when trying to set it up on the alignment machine.

rcutclif
rcutclif GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/15/15 5:35 p.m.
dean1484 wrote: For the jag. LSD frount and rear. Center dif/ transfer case is a geared unit no LSD nl viscous. It is direct drive so all four wheels turn together. A real pita when trying to set it up on the alignment machine.

No crap, cool! So center is locked and front and back are lsd? And the front and back are viscous type?

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Associate Editor
8/15/15 11:12 p.m.

Are you sure, Dean? a fully locked center differential isn't really sustainable on the road, at least tire-wear wise. Did you modify something? Or do you mean that it's an open center differential?

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
8/16/15 6:57 p.m.

I only have time to work on this in small doses but today I cleaned the engine. Using only a Cleaner/Degreaser know as Awesome (a yellow liquid found at the Dollar Stores), a small brush (only used occasionally) and the hose; I got these results.

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