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Steven Cole Smith
Steven Cole Smith Contributor
5/6/22 11:22 a.m.

Say, have you noticed those gasoline prices lately?

You haven’t?

Then you must be reading this magazine at your dentist’s office. Research suggests the vast majority of our readers drive and thus must have noticed gasoline prices–even if it’s for their own amusement. And those amused people would be electric car drivers.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. It’s …

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SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
5/6/22 11:37 a.m.

I didn't know this existed!

wspohn
wspohn SuperDork
5/6/22 11:37 a.m.

The Mini used to be a cute and very useful and economical small car. They had an 80" wheelbase, and weighed approx. 1400-1500 lbs.  It got great fuel mileage.

The new Cooper Clubman has a 105" wheelbase, and is the size of a small SUV, weighing 3600 lbs. (but you are right, getting the battery powered version down to c. 3100 lbs is indeed a laudable accomplishment).

I don't think that the new ones really merit the use of the 'Mini' description any more.....they should probably just label it a BMW X1.

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
5/6/22 11:50 a.m.

In reply to wspohn :

I don't care what they call it or what it weighs. I like driving mine. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
5/6/22 11:52 a.m.

Is an electric Mini your next autocrosser?

Were you going to provide any information about its autocross performance? 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
5/6/22 1:19 p.m.

In reply to ProDarwin :

This was a first drive at the press intro. Hopefully soon we can run numbers. Initial indications, though, show that it’s fun and in the ballpark. 

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
5/6/22 1:32 p.m.

I'm not sure what to think about the non-symmetrical wheels.  

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/6/22 1:41 p.m.

Max charging rate is 50 kW, so it's not a great road tripper. The Mini site says 80% in 36 minutes (sounds about right for that battery size), and 80% is 88 miles. This is the sort of thing people are worried about when thinking of taking an EV on vacation, and it's real in some cases.

If you are looking at an EV, take a look at that charge rate. Of the other cars mentioned in the article, the Kona can charge at 75 kW and the Leaf can hit 100 but requires the CHAdeMO format which is rapidly becoming obsolete. The Bolt, which should probably have been mentioned, is at 55 kW. These charging rates only matter if you use more than your rated range before a long stop (such as an overnight).

Good price point, and the MINI has some style on its side with minimum dorkiness. That'll help bring some people over.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/6/22 2:00 p.m.

One question that always has to be asked about short range (and thus likely compliance) EVs: are they available everywhere? The Kona Electric mentioned in the article is only available in 12 states. Is the Mini available everywhere?

Placemotorsports
Placemotorsports GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
5/6/22 2:06 p.m.

Mileage sounds comparable to the i3

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) UltimaDork
5/6/22 2:45 p.m.

In reply to John Welsh :

Nothing a set of RFP1's won't fix.  But yeah, those are pretty awful looking wheels.

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
5/6/22 3:28 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

One question that always has to be asked about short range (and thus likely compliance) EVs: are they available everywhere? The Kona Electric mentioned in the article is only available in 12 states. Is the Mini available everywhere?

Valid question. MINI sold an electric version of the R56 about a decade ago, but it was lease-only (with no buy option) and was only offered in CA and NYC-metro areas.  

Aspen
Aspen HalfDork
5/6/22 3:32 p.m.

In reply to wspohn :

My daughter has a 3 door, it is nothing like an X1.

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
5/6/22 4:05 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

One question that always has to be asked about short range (and thus likely compliance) EVs: are they available everywhere? The Kona Electric mentioned in the article is only available in 12 states. Is the Mini available everywhere?

Let me follow up with another question: Can it be served at any Mini dealership?

I remember when the Fiat 500e came out, you could only take it to be serviced at certain dealerships. Granted, there was plenty to pick from (even ones outside of the states it was originally sold in), but it's something worth looking into before you buy.

thashane
thashane GRM+ Memberand Reader
5/6/22 4:17 p.m.

With gas prices, this is definitely appealing. Also since I already trailer the R55 MINI to most events. 

 

 However - ignoring the 30% dealer market exploitments here on the west coast, the 22' Civic Si is the same MSRP, and also in GS. edit: looking at MINIs website - the standard justa Cooper is $27.4k, the SE shows $33.9k starting for me. I'd say that's a price increase.

 

Found this in a quick search. Looks like only used 14% over 5 runs. 

 

edit:  he got 14th in PAX also. 

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
5/6/22 5:21 p.m.
Colin Wood said:
Keith Tanner said:

One question that always has to be asked about short range (and thus likely compliance) EVs: are they available everywhere? The Kona Electric mentioned in the article is only available in 12 states. Is the Mini available everywhere?

Let me follow up with another question: Can it be served at any Mini dealership?

I remember when the Fiat 500e came out, you could only take it to be serviced at certain dealerships. Granted, there was plenty to pick from (even ones outside of the states it was originally sold in), but it's something worth looking into before you buy.

Possibly. I would think the MINI would use similar EV architecture as their BMW cousins and therefore could be serviced at authorized BMW dealers. That said, BMW used to have a thing about not allowing BMW dealers to do authorized service on MINIs - something that has caused MINI some problems over the years due to the rather sparse dealer network.  So who knows. 

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
5/6/22 5:55 p.m.

In reply to thashane :

Some manufacturers are sneaky about figuring fed/state EV incentives into MSRP in advertising. That being said the article MSRP matches what I am seeing, so unsure why you are seeing something different.

In my area of California, the Cooper SE qualifies for just over $10k in rebates thanks to federal and state EV incentives. At about $19k it's a lot more appealing than it is at $30k.

 

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
5/7/22 9:44 a.m.

In reply to pointofdeparture :

At $19K, it's a steal. 

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
5/7/22 9:48 a.m.

In reply to thashane :

The article doesn't say the SE is equal price to the base model. It says the SE hasn't had a price increase since 2020, and that it is comparably priced to the base model AFTER INCENTIVES. 

 

thashane
thashane GRM+ Memberand Reader
5/7/22 12:52 p.m.

In reply to SV reX :

You are correct, I misread the Leaf MSRP @27.4k

thashane
thashane GRM+ Memberand Reader
5/7/22 12:59 p.m.

In reply to pointofdeparture :

In Northern California the MINI website starts at 33.9 for me, and jumps up to 34 something (guessing 850 shipping) at the end of the build. 

If you look into the CA rebates, to get the full amount you have to "retire" (scrap) a car that has been registered for the last 2 years. The Fed rebate is very appealing though.

te72
te72 Reader
5/7/22 6:38 p.m.

Such a small battery pack has me wondering if you'd be recharging between run groups... I'd love to stick one of those Koenigsegg electric motors in the Exocet, but it would have to be enough for a good 20 runs or so, without needing a battery pack that would take weight above the stock Miata drivetrain it would replace. Not sure we are there just yet on the battery side of things.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/7/22 9:13 p.m.

If you are waiting for the magic battery, i wouldn't hold your breath. It's like the 100 mpg carburetor. Incremental changes will continue, but don't expect a step change.

Even if you gained some weight to hit your goal of 20 runs, it might be worthwhile. We had two Model 3 Performance cars at our autox today. One of them set FTD (by a long shot) and beat a turbo Exocet on Hoosiers by 4 or 5 seconds. 9 runs. He then stopped by a Supercharger. I'll find out what he used. 

te72
te72 Reader
5/8/22 2:31 a.m.

Keith, was the guy's name Bruce, by any chance? Turbo Exocet seems like a handful, considering how tail happy mine is with just a base NB2 drivetrain.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/8/22 10:35 a.m.

That would be Bruce. Turbo Exocet is an awesome tool when set up well and this one's pretty sorted.
 

Bruce didn't tell me how many kWh he used, only "$5" and I don't know the cost for Supercharging around here. 

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