frenchyd
frenchyd UltimaDork
2/11/21 10:52 a.m.

Jaguar sued and won a case against a Swedish pensioner who made a Jaguar Replica. 
   Joining the likes of Ferrari, Cobra etc. 

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
2/11/21 3:21 p.m.

that's the final straw. I'm changing the name of my replica to raguaj.

Stefan (Forum Supporter)
Stefan (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/21 3:33 p.m.

Its their trademark and they need to defend it or they'll lose it.

The fact that he wasn't just making a replica for himself, but to sell to others (had brochures, went to classic car shows to try and sell them, etc.) was too far and he bloody well should have known.

I suspect that if he found the right person at Jaguar to ask, he might have gotten an ok to make a replica like the Eagle folks and others have done.

I mean, this is more than just some old guy building a car in his garage that looks like quite a bit like a Jaguar to pootle around in.

yupididit
yupididit PowerDork
2/11/21 3:44 p.m.

Whats a Swedish Pensioner? 

Can I get one from IKEA?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/21 3:45 p.m.
Stefan (Forum Supporter) said:

I suspect that if he found the right person at Jaguar to ask, he might have gotten an ok to make a replica like the Eagle folks and others have done.

Does Eagle build new cars, or do they only heavily modify existing Jaguars? It's quite a different thing. 

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/21 3:48 p.m.

I am hoping it is not for the XJ13.  

Stefan (Forum Supporter)
Stefan (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/21 3:59 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:
Stefan (Forum Supporter) said:

I suspect that if he found the right person at Jaguar to ask, he might have gotten an ok to make a replica like the Eagle folks and others have done.

Does Eagle build new cars, or do they only heavily modify existing Jaguars? It's quite a different thing. 

A quick peek at their website indicates they do full restorations and the Speedster is based on an existing E-type, so that's how they are doing that.

The XJ13 replica was built by someone who was asked to make one by Jaguar and then it gets a bit muddy.  I'll need to go read up on that again.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/21 4:00 p.m.

Singer is adamant they are a restoration shop, not a manufacturer. They will tell you that over and over :) They also don't own the cars at any time, they are always property of the customer. There's a good reason for that, I believe. 

RoddyMac17
RoddyMac17 Reader
2/11/21 4:01 p.m.

There's a thread on TNF that discusses the situation:  The Nostalgia Forum

The XJ13 builder, Nev, has been commenting on the thread

frenchyd
frenchyd UltimaDork
2/11/21 4:12 p.m.

In reply to Stefan (Forum Supporter) :

I understand their right to defend new cars. But They didn't have anything to do with the XK 120--CType, D Type, XKE  XK13 etc.    That was all the eye of Sir William Lyons and his team.  
       Isn't that like the Statue of David etc that has been replicated countless times in concrete and other forms?     
        In case you haven't seen my Jaguar, here's it at Ranfurly circus in the Bahama's 1984  

        

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter)
BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/21 4:16 p.m.

In reply to yupididit :

Have you checked if there is a Pensiönör somewhere in the catalog?

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter)
BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/21 4:18 p.m.

In reply to frenchyd :

I'm pretty sure that Michelangelo's trademark on the statue has expired. JLR very likely still owns the trademarks for their old models.

Mercedes also isn't exactly fond of people making Gullwing replicas.

bearmtnmartin (Forum Supporter)
bearmtnmartin (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
2/11/21 5:40 p.m.

In reply to frenchyd :

I bet you wish you still had that. 

frenchyd
frenchyd UltimaDork
2/11/21 5:43 p.m.

In reply to BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) :

I was planning on making a fiberglass XKE to go racing with.  Well some Fiberglass and some aluminum. Plus other stuff. I've got a lot of Jaguar XKE molds. 
Trying to do it under the 2021 budget limit. Do my own local challenge.  But if Jaguar starts sueing people for this sort of thing, I guess I'll have to rethink my plans. 
   How long do you think the patents last?  
Hmmmm, what degree of similarity constitutes infringement? 

frenchyd
frenchyd UltimaDork
2/11/21 5:44 p.m.
bearmtnmartin (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to frenchyd :

I bet you wish you still had that. 

At least I can go look it it. It's in the Packard museum. ( Dayton Ohio ) But yeh, I really miss that. 

spitfirebill
spitfirebill MegaDork
2/11/21 6:20 p.m.

So how does several people make C Type, D Type and XK-SS replicas?  

frenchyd
frenchyd UltimaDork
2/11/21 6:24 p.m.

I think some are tool room copies. IE carefully crafted hand made special to either an original carefully measured or made from blue prints.  
  While others are eyeball estimates from fiberglass to fit on some chassis. 

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
2/11/21 7:39 p.m.
frenchyd said:

In reply to BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) :

   How long do you think the patents last?  
Hmmmm, what degree of similarity constitutes infringement? 

Doesn't matter, until you start making real money selling their designs.

CJ (FS)
CJ (FS) GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
2/12/21 4:12 a.m.

Wonder how this fits into the puzzle?

Ferrari loses trademark battle: Get ready for a run of 250 GTO replicas

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/ferrari-loses-trademark-battle-get-ready-for-a-run-of-250-gto-replicas/

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