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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
6/16/21 12:25 p.m.
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According to Porsche sources who spoke with Car & Driver, the German carmaker is unable to sell new 911 GT3s equipped with the six-speed manual transmission as they exceed the state’s vehicle noise limits. GT3s configured with PDK, on the other hand, are in compliance.

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Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
6/16/21 12:31 p.m.

That doesn't really surprise me.  It seems most of the European high zoot cars are objectionable loud now, almost like the designers heard a 69 427 Camaro with chambered exhaust, and used that as a baseline. 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
6/16/21 12:39 p.m.

Not a big deal really for CA residents. Register it in OR/SD/MT/AZ and you don't have to follow local rules or pay the taxes....

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia SuperDork
6/16/21 12:43 p.m.

stuff some steel wool  up the exhaust !

thats what we did with our old VWs that were running glasspacks !

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) UltimaDork
6/16/21 12:46 p.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

Yeah I mean that's illegal but sure do that.

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
6/16/21 12:57 p.m.
pres589 (djronnebaum) said:

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

Yeah I mean that's illegal but sure do that.

Well lots of people do "illegal things." All of my track buddies run no CAT Elise/Exige, and run "illegal" Ariel Atoms all over the place, and that is "illegal too." All the RHD imports here in CA are all illegal too.  Not saying legal vs illegal (you make your decisions), but just stating facts of how our lives are here in CA. 

 

In any event, I am not ashamed, that haven't paid a single dollar to CA DMV since 1995, and will never do so rest of my life. Judge me if you wish. Some of us tell the truth of how things really are. 

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
6/16/21 1:08 p.m.

Not sure how the PDK is more quiet than the 6MT given they have the same exhaust setups...

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
6/16/21 1:21 p.m.

It's amazing that California still has the robust car scene it does with C.A.R.B. 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
6/16/21 1:27 p.m.
z31maniac said:

It's amazing that California still has the robust car scene it does with C.A.R.B. 

The midwest would top that scene tenfold, except our cars dissolve after 7 years.

Vajingo
Vajingo HalfDork
6/16/21 1:37 p.m.
z31maniac said:

It's amazing that California still has the robust car scene it does with C.A.R.B. 

It's one more reason to never move there. As an Oregon resident, and feeling the influx of Californians escaping there right now, I have told my wife "if they bring it here, we are moving". 

GCrites80s
GCrites80s HalfDork
6/16/21 1:41 p.m.
Appleseed said:
z31maniac said:

It's amazing that California still has the robust car scene it does with C.A.R.B. 

The midwest would top that scene tenfold, except our cars dissolve after 7 years.

And we get rained or snowed on every time we want to use our cars for things other than getting to work and errands

iansane
iansane HalfDork
6/16/21 1:43 p.m.
docwyte said:

Not sure how the PDK is more quiet than the 6MT given they have the same exhaust setups...

Something to do with engine load and cylinder pressure affecting exhaust note/tone?

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
6/16/21 1:45 p.m.
z31maniac said:

It's amazing that California still has the robust car scene it does with C.A.R.B. 

Because regardless of what outsiders are led to believe, CARB doesn't have any real choke hold on enthusiasts in a real life setting .... wink

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand UberDork
6/16/21 1:48 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:
pres589 (djronnebaum) said:

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

Yeah I mean that's illegal but sure do that.

...

In any event, I am not ashamed, that haven't paid a single dollar to CA DMV since 1995, and will never do so rest of my life. Judge me if you wish. Some of us tell the truth of how things really are. 

How did you get these plates without paying the Cali DMV?



mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
6/16/21 2:33 p.m.
Slippery said:
mr2s2000elise said:
pres589 (djronnebaum) said:

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

Yeah I mean that's illegal but sure do that.

...

In any event, I am not ashamed, that haven't paid a single dollar to CA DMV since 1995, and will never do so rest of my life. Judge me if you wish. Some of us tell the truth of how things really are. 

How did you get these plates without paying the Cali DMV?



 

In CA "plates" aren't what kills us. Its the sales tax on a transfer/purchase. I refuse to pay that as does every one else. Pretty apparent if you come to a Cars and Coffee. 

Your search function posted Cars came with CA plates. OG owner paid them. I never paid them. 

Civic was $42 transfer fee. Land Cruiser is a $11 transfer fee.  Also all my flip cars, like the Bronco I have now ($19 CA fee) it isn't worth getting outside plate, when its getting flipped, because the paperwork will then show an outside state transfer when car is here - which makes it harder to sell unless I tranfer to to my LLC - in which case it makes it MORE expensive than retaining the CA plates and undervalue the car on paper. 

Of the keeper (non flip cars) My $45,000 2021 Tac0 - would be $4500 DMV CA fee.  Having it titled outside, total is $350. Quite a savings, not having CA plates. My new H1 would be $6,800 at CA DMV. Its registered in OR, pennies on the dollar.... etc etc. My Elise has had MT plates since as at that time it would be been $5,700. Wifes RCF/LX570 all have SD plates. 

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter)
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) Dork
6/16/21 2:37 p.m.

Just move to Texas. It worked for Elon Musk. 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
6/16/21 2:40 p.m.
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

Just move to Texas. It worked for Elon Musk. 

My LA life is cheaper than Austin. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/homes/us-housing-market-offers/index.html

accordionfolder
accordionfolder SuperDork
6/16/21 6:14 p.m.

Lol, I clicked on this thread knowing what would be inside.

CyberEric
CyberEric Dork
6/16/21 6:22 p.m.

So you’re saying you under value the car on the transfer so you do t pay as much on taxes? I still have to pay the CA yearly registration fees. How do you get around that?

Ranger50
Ranger50 MegaDork
6/16/21 6:32 p.m.

Or you can have tangible land property in another state and use that address for reasons...

GCrites80s
GCrites80s HalfDork
6/16/21 7:23 p.m.

Would old Ford manual trucks fail this in reverse gear?

67LS1
67LS1 New Reader
6/16/21 9:02 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:

Not a big deal really for CA residents. Register it in OR/SD/MT/AZ and you don't have to follow local rules or pay the taxes....

Terrible advice.

My brother in law got caught driving his gray market Porsche registered in Nevada (where he owns a home) in California. California Drivers license. He told me by the time he got done he had spent close to $100k on attorneys, fees and fines. The car was impounded for just under two years before he got it back.

A tow company near here had all his trucks registered in Oregon. California business. I don't know him but the trucks were all impounded and he went out of business.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
6/16/21 9:52 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:

In CA "plates" aren't what kills us. Its the sales tax on a transfer/purchase. I refuse to pay that as does every one else. Pretty apparent if you come to a Cars and Coffee. 

It's 8% in Ohio to do that.

 

Of the keeper (non flip cars) My $45,000 2021 Tac0 - would be $4500 DMV CA fee.  

And?

 

Try one of the states where annual registration is tied to the car's value.  10%-ish per year, every year.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
6/16/21 10:04 p.m.

Further wussification (pussification) of America.

yupididit
yupididit GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/16/21 10:10 p.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

They hating fam.

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