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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
6/24/21 9:25 a.m.
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Like a growing number of manufactures, Mazda recently announced its plans to start shifting towards an electrified lineup, stating that “100% of our products will have some level of electrification, and our EV ratio will be 25% by 2030.”

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jimgood
jimgood New Reader
6/24/21 9:42 a.m.

Where's the puke gif?

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse PowerDork
6/24/21 9:44 a.m.

If anyone is going to offer the first mass-production, widely-available manual transmission electric car, Mazda will.  *fingers crossed*

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
6/24/21 9:52 a.m.

That would be.... unfortunate.

Realistically, I am not sure they could get a powerful enough battery pack that small yet. In 8 years?  
 

If they don't have some sort of electrics to offer in 8 years though, they will very much be behind the times.

calteg
calteg Dork
6/24/21 9:56 a.m.

Curious to see where battery tech is by the time this happens. The miata community lost their minds when the ND2 got a 25hp bump. I feel like you could add an additional 30hp from electric and manage to keep the weight down.

foshjowler
foshjowler New Reader
6/24/21 10:01 a.m.

The engine hasn't ever been the Miata's strength. I'm sure it will still be a small, tossable convertible, which is all it needs to be.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/24/21 10:06 a.m.

Cross-posted from the other thread:

 

I put very little faith in Miata news stories unless there's a Mazda press release involved, and Mazda does not comment on future product. 

Mazda has been chasing torque in the little thing for the past 15 years, so a bit of hybrid assist would not be surprising. Not full on plug-in hybrid, more of a KERS level. Especially if it's going to show up in the next generation, which may be introduced in the next 3-4 years if previous lifespans are to be believed.

Driven5
Driven5 UltraDork
6/24/21 10:06 a.m.

Interesting. Last I heard, Mazda believed that their ICE advancements would keep up with BEV's... I wonder if the implication is that BEV technology is simply advancing faster than they had expected, or they're not making the strides they had hoped for?

However, a large part of all of this is the overall emissions side, and I'm not sure that the well-to-wheels of electric power generation is improving that dramatically. So perhaps just a marketing move, or are ICE emissions requirements tightening that quickly too?

Rons
Rons GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
6/24/21 10:07 a.m.

My understanding is that Mazda and Toyota aren’t married but sure are dating. Toyota is set to bring solid state batteries to the market https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Most-read-in-2020/Toyota-s-game-changing-solid-state-battery-en-route-for-2021-debut so to paraphrase Roxy Music “can you guess the rest?”

spudz76
spudz76 New Reader
6/24/21 10:10 a.m.

If they could keep the weight down and add some form of lightweight system that added 30 lb/ft, that would be awesome.  Especially if they kept the batteries down low and helped the CoG

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/24/21 10:13 a.m.
Driven5 said:

Interesting. Last I heard, Mazda believed that their ICE advancements would keep up with BEV's... I'm guessing BEV technology is advancing faster than they had expected.

It's easy to forget how small Mazda is. They don't have the development resources to do a bunch of concurrent work - from the outside, it looks very much like it's one project followed by another. It's possible that regulatory changes encouraging BEV use are making them more desireable, and of course things DO change with time. They're definitely running a little behind on electrification.

Jerry
Jerry PowerDork
6/24/21 11:38 a.m.
spudz76 said:

If they could keep the weight down and add some form of lightweight system that added 30 lb/ft, that would be awesome.  Especially if they kept the batteries down low and helped the CoG

I'm in if they do it well.  Decent range, instant torque, low weight, not ridiculous charge times.  Hell I'll plug it in every night like my cellphone and watch if needed.  (For those lamenting the loss of ICE you can still make vroom vroom noises while you drive it.)

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/24/21 11:42 a.m.

"Plug it in every night like my cellphone" is exactly how you treat an electric car.

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/24/21 11:45 a.m.

I for one welcome our FlyEn' Miata overlords. 

wheelsmithy (Joe-with-an-L)
wheelsmithy (Joe-with-an-L) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/24/21 11:46 a.m.

Time marches on. Fuel injection wasn't the endgame everyone seemed to think it would be. Neither will electrification be. My hope is that Mazda maybe makes something that isn't as "smart" as the Tesla. (Read: not in need of an internet hook-up.)

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) UltimaDork
6/24/21 11:47 a.m.

I don't see anything wrong with getting motors and such from Toyota although there's always that fear of getting owned by your suppliers in a situation like that.  Happens with aircraft companies... but generally speaking, it seems like if Mazda wants its car's electric motor to feel different from a Toyota's, they just change software.  Leverage the hard work of the big corporation to do this stuff, focus on the rest of the car.  

One of the three projects that has me wanting to get a home shop together is to electrify a Miata, probably an NC1.  This just validates my general vision.  

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/24/21 11:49 a.m.

In reply to Rons :

With Toyota having the 86, I'd be somewhat surprised if they were to assist much on the mx-5 side of things. That being said, if they were to say, hey Mazda could you utilize this turbo 3 cylinder that we developed for the Yaris GR and are going to put into the corrolla for the next generation Miata, and you should add a hybrid system to eliminate turbo lag, like a cornfield, I'd be all ears. 

edwardh80
edwardh80 Reader
6/24/21 12:00 p.m.

Thought this was a joke. Then realised it wasn't April 1

Shaun
Shaun GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/24/21 12:10 p.m.

Besides the great content, I really enjoy GRMs cheesy jokes and purposefully slap dash graphics- And I have no problem at all with a fully baked electric Miata.

79rex
79rex Reader
6/24/21 12:18 p.m.

And they will pair it with the rotary they"ve been rumored to be working on  *wakes up from dream*

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/24/21 12:38 p.m.

You could do something like Mercedes did in the s400 hybrid.   Replace the torque converter or in this case the flywheel with an electric motor and put a light-weight, high-capacity lithium-ion battery in the trunk (just like the Merc did. The system was used to assist in acceleration and could also rejen. It was not meant to power the car full time it instead only assisted when the ICE was the least fuel efficient. 

Put this in a Miata and add 50/50 torques and hp off the line or when pulling out of corners would be a game changer for Miata. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/24/21 12:46 p.m.

I think that's a great way to add hybrid assist. As a bonus, the "flywheel" can act as a starter and an alternator.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/24/21 12:49 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Did not even think of that. That would work really well. 

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/24/21 12:50 p.m.

I would also suspect it could be used in an all electric mode for very short distances. You know when you want to sneak out with out waking  up the people in the house. 

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/24/21 12:58 p.m.

It'll come down to how it's done.  The idea of an EV or hybrid MX-5 isn't necessarily bad and it may be required in order for the model to survive. Mazda seem to have a pretty good handle on making sure they keep the essence of what makes a MX-5 a "Miata."  

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