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wclark
wclark Reader
12/17/15 12:23 p.m.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ wrote: In reply to The_Jed: Unfortunately, AWD cars are allowed to disable two wheels and run in 2wd, but 2wd cannot be converted to run in AWD classes.

Where did you hear that a 2WD chassis cannot be converted to AWD for the Open AWD class in NRS?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Dork
12/17/15 12:35 p.m.

In reply to wclark:

Huh, look at that- I guess it's allowed. I think I was misremembering the rules about modifying the chassis/floorpan for substituted components, but now that you mention it I don't see anything disallowing it.

Sorry!

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 MegaDork
12/17/15 12:36 p.m.

In retrospect, shouldn't the answer here be to slip as much Ford Ranger/Explorer under a Ford Maverick as possible.

Inspirations:

HunterBenz
HunterBenz New Reader
12/17/15 12:42 p.m.

What about a Suzuki X90... Looks like a Miata. You guys like Miatas right. I know Suzuki makes a pretty decent motor that could be swapped in there.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
12/17/15 12:45 p.m.

I'm going to say.. Go G5.. Get a fox body mustgang v8 powered.. Gravel Machine Gun ENGAGE!

Trackmouse
Trackmouse HalfDork
12/17/15 1:19 p.m.
NickD wrote:
Trackmouse wrote: This is why somebody needs to challenge the Subaru to AWD wars. They can't be the OnLY company making rally worthy vehicles! In ten years will will all be stuck rally racing cvt hybrid imprezas!!!!!!!! And nobody wants that to happen! Mitsubishi tried, but lost the intergalactic war with the Pleiades. (Ask me more about my insane conspiracy about the space war that was settled on our planet.)
Alright, I'll bite. Tell me more about the space war on our planet.

So if you look, Subaru uses the Pleiades. And Mitsubishi is diamond star motors, the diamond symbol is a rhombus. A quadrilateral. Each company (before being involved in automotive) was developing aeronautical and warplanes. (Subaru is part of Fuji heavy industries. Even Polaris is part of that corporation. Polaris is a star!) so, they began building War machines. It is my belief, that subaru and Mitsubishi were in fact, two space alien factions at war, that decided the best way to settle things was to come to this planet, build the craziest four door cars out there, enter them into WRC, and settle things using technology, rather than waste the lives of their people. For years, they went back and forth, the evo 1-9. The sti mk1-??? Then, in 2009, a change in the struggle for dominance occurred. The evo 10 couldn't keep pace with the new STI. Subaru had won the intergalactic war. Now, today, Subaru has retired from trying, and simply cranks out crap. While Mitsubishi has retreated into the darkness.... Is the war over? No one knows...

NickD
NickD Reader
12/17/15 1:27 p.m.
Trackmouse wrote:
NickD wrote:
Trackmouse wrote: This is why somebody needs to challenge the Subaru to AWD wars. They can't be the OnLY company making rally worthy vehicles! In ten years will will all be stuck rally racing cvt hybrid imprezas!!!!!!!! And nobody wants that to happen! Mitsubishi tried, but lost the intergalactic war with the Pleiades. (Ask me more about my insane conspiracy about the space war that was settled on our planet.)
Alright, I'll bite. Tell me more about the space war on our planet.
So if you look, Subaru uses the Pleiades. And Mitsubishi is diamond star motors, the diamond symbol is a rhombus. A quadrilateral. Each company (before being involved in automotive) was developing aeronautical and warplanes. (Subaru is part of Fuji heavy industries. Even Polaris is part of that corporation. Polaris is a star!) so, they began building War machines. It is my belief, that subaru and Mitsubishi were in fact, two space alien factions at war, that decided the best way to settle things was to come to this planet, build the craziest four door cars out there, enter them into WRC, and settle things using technology, rather than waste the lives of their people. For years, they went back and forth, the evo 1-9. The sti mk1-??? Then, in 2009, a change in the struggle for dominance occurred. The evo 10 couldn't keep pace with the new STI. Subaru had won the intergalactic war. Now, today, Subaru has retired from trying, and simply cranks out crap. While Mitsubishi has retreated into the darkness.... Is the war over? No one knows...

Interesting. Makes sense.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse HalfDork
12/17/15 1:28 p.m.

In reply to NickD:

On this day you have validated insanity. Side note- ever notice how many of Mitsubishi's vehicles were named something "astronomical"??? Starion? Yep. Aliens.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
12/17/15 1:31 p.m.

996 sereis Porsche 911 4S.

Turbo body and AWD with NA engine.

/THREAD

wclark
wclark Reader
12/19/15 11:30 a.m.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ wrote: In reply to wclark: Huh, look at that- I guess it's allowed. I think I was misremembering the rules about modifying the chassis/floorpan for substituted components, but now that you mention it I don't see anything disallowing it. Sorry!

No need to apologize. I study the NRS, RA and FIA technical rules regularly, have for years, and I still miss my share of such things. I thought this might be another.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
12/19/15 6:47 p.m.
pushrod36 wrote:
irish44j wrote: While you could do well in events with perhaps a Tacoma or something (by finishing and not getting damaged), there's really nothing else out there in the open (AWD) class that is going to compete with the Subies and Evos, realistically. You know what Rally America and NRS results are in recent years, and it's pretty obvious. If there was some oddball/inexpensive/reliable AWD silver bullet, someone probably would have found it by now.
I think it has a lot more to do with big money and talent going into the WRX's and Evo's. There are a lot of capable cars out there, but no one driving them is spending weeks practicing between championship rounds. Also, the drivers of the other cars are often self-sponsored and a little more concerned about wrecking compared to the factory drivers.

I wasn't really referring to the Higgins(es) of the world and other factory drivers....more to regional RA/NRS podiums (and for that matter, even rallycross), where most teams are privateers and not backed by Subaru other than some contingency money.

I mean, Jon Kramer/Adam Kimmett have been kicking butt in their CG for several years now in the Eastern Region (among other older subies). Alvin Fong's Evo has mostly dominated (when he doesn't break it), and that's largely a self-funded effort. Obviously Subaru is supporting the top national drivers more than, say, BMW is. But on a regional level I'd say the talent and "practice time" levels are pretty even between most top competitors....

HiTempguy
HiTempguy PowerDork
12/20/15 11:02 a.m.

http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?72610-FS-2005-BMW-325xi-for-Open-Class-Open-Lights

I think you could make a screamer of a n/a 6 cylinder bmw, run it with a sadev sequential and center differential.

You are also overlooking the R32 golves. Again, they CAN be made competitive relative to the american rules, the question is would you spend the money and astronomical time to do so?

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