Porsche 993 prices - what am I missing?

Javelin wrote: 2002 911 "GT2" recon, 32K miles, $23K

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BoxheadTim wrote: The older a/c 911s seems to be reasonably DIY-able for basic maintenance and they seem to be getting more and more complex. Plus we don't have that much of an Porker infrastructure up here (dealer in Reno and I think one specialist worth considering and one not worth considering) so being able to do some basic work myself would be good.

I have an 85 Carrera....it's a great car and not too bad to work on. I also have an 87 944 turbo and it is more complex and difficult to work on. They are both a hell of a lot of fun in their own ways though. If you get a 911 pick Wayne Dempsey's 101 Projects book for it...really nice and well done book. He also has one for a Boxster and 3 series BMW. http://www.101projects.com/

Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to DILYSI Dave: Salvage title. Shame.

Meh. Salvage titles don't scare me if the car was put back together well. Just means a cheaper buy-in.

Think the 996 is at the bottom of the curve? Does the same rule apply as 964/993, where you will likely be able to sell it for your purchase price, barring a trip through the rhubarb?

The 993 is so much sexier ... but the 996 is probably the better car.

That said, the base model 996 looks a lot better with nothing more than a mild drop and some wheels.

I am in the 964 and 996 camp....rather have either classic or depreciated---not inflated or depreciating.

alex wrote: Think the 996 is at the bottom of the curve? Does the same rule apply as 964/993, where you will likely be able to sell it for your purchase price, barring a trip through the rhubarb?

You know, I would say so, but then I thought the same thing a couple years back when $25k was a bargain for one. I think a decent condition, no surprises 996 is probably still going to set you back $25k, so maybe I was/am right. But it's possible they might have a little further to go. I really don't see them getting a lot cheaper!

Well, one of the appeals of getting an earlier car is that the prices one those seem to be firming up. I don't think that's the case for the 996s yet...

Ideally I'd like to bag a 964 RS America but I'm not sure I want to spend near $40k on one. Nevertheless I think barring use as a farming implement prices on those will only head in one direction if other rare Porsches are a guide.

If you want working AC, you have no other choice but the 996 and newer generations. The older oil cooled 911's have very asthmatic HVAC systems...

The 996 is a bargain for what it costs, you can easily spend the same amount on an older carrera or 964...

corytate wrote: oh my god the picture of that oxblood 993... I literally gasped when I scrolled down and saw it. I think I'm in love

Agreed. I loved this poster too.

Osterkraut wrote:

Javelin wrote: I think 996's are the sports car bargain of the century right now.

Javelin wrote: so I still say 996 is the bargain of the decade (after the C5 Z06 as the bargain of the century).

Make up your damn mind!

Besides, aren't you kinda splittin' hairs there, Jav? Century-Decade= 1yr.

The 993 has retained it's value much better than the 996 as the earlier car was the last "true Porsche" according to the air/oil- cooled crowd.

The 996's I've driven have left me disappointed. They were competent, fast, and quiet, but the driving experience wasn't very visceral. I found the 996 almost too appliance-like....almost too refined. I'd imagine you could modify one to be more exciting, but stock it didn't really trip my trigger.

There was also a lot of griping about the interior quality of the earlier 996 cars. (cheap plastic)

I'm sure the 996 would make a nice daily, but special cars like this are supposed to be exciting, and I didn't find the 996 very fun.

that said......I've always lusted after the 993, and mid- to late 80's 911.

I looked at a cab locally with a smoking engine for $10k. I was thinking that a v8 swap would still be fun but didn't find much for the 996.

chandlerGTi wrote: I looked at a cab locally with a smoking engine for $10k. I was thinking that a v8 swap would still be fun but didn't find much for the 996.

Stay tuned........there is something you will like a lot coming in the December issue of GRM!

Think 996 + LSX = hell yes!

Joe Gearin wrote: The 996's I've driven have left me disappointed. They were competent, fast, and quiet, but the driving experience wasn't very visceral. I found the 996 almost too appliance-like....almost too refined. I'd imagine you could modify one to be more exciting, but stock it didn't really trip my trigger... I'm sure the 996 would make a nice daily, but special cars like this are supposed to be exciting, and I didn't find the 996 very fun.

I'm a little surprised to hear that. I felt that the 996 I drove was quite fun to drive - grabbing it by the scruff and tossing it around was much more rewarding than trying the same with the 986 Boxster, 350Z or even Z3 M roadster I had also driven that day. As a Miata owner, I got the impression that it drove like a super-tuned Miata.

nderwater wrote:

Joe Gearin wrote: The 996's I've driven have left me disappointed. They were competent, fast, and quiet, but the driving experience wasn't very visceral. I found the 996 almost too appliance-like....almost too refined. I'd imagine you could modify one to be more exciting, but stock it didn't really trip my trigger... I'm sure the 996 would make a nice daily, but special cars like this are supposed to be exciting, and I didn't find the 996 very fun.

I'm a little surprised to hear that. I felt that the 996 I drove was quite fun to drive - grabbing it by the scruff and tossing it around was much more rewarding than trying the same with the 986 Boxster, 350Z or even Z3 M roadster I had also driven that day. As a Miata owner, I got the impression that it drove like a super-tuned Miata.

Strange, I've driven a couple of them and they always seemed antiseptic. Was the one you drove modified? Granted, I didn't have a chance to track either.....but I came away expecting and wanting more.

We sold 94 RS America (94) #001 for substantially more then we paid 8 years earlier. Air cooled cars have held their value - I can pick up 996's @ auction with 100k for 12 grand all day. even 997's are getting into the high 20's for higher mileage cars.

964 Turbo's still manage to fetch a premium as well.

dyintorace wrote:

corytate wrote: oh my god the picture of that oxblood 993... I literally gasped when I scrolled down and saw it. I think I'm in love

Agreed. I loved this poster too.

Inspiration for the plate

If that's what water cooled 911's are going for at auctions, I seriously need a hook-up in the biz!

Joe Gearin wrote:

chandlerGTi wrote: I looked at a cab locally with a smoking engine for $10k. I was thinking that a v8 swap would still be fun but didn't find much for the 996.

Stay tuned........there is something you will like a lot coming in the December issue of GRM! Think 996 + LSX = hell yes!

Oooooooooo

Just copied this from Manheim

$11,250 LOL no salvage title 65k. manual

When I was a 13-14 year old kid, I'd ride my bicycle through an industrial park where a mid 80s 911 was always parked. I'd get off my bike, walk around the car....dreaming. Black on black with the whale tail. It was true car lust. I still remember the license plate

GO FSTR

So cool! I still want one. (without the tail though)

Joe Gearin wrote: When I was a 13-14 year old kid, I'd ride my bicycle through an industrial park where a mid 80s 911 was always parked. I'd get off my bike, walk around the car....dreaming. Black on black with the whale tail. It was true car lust. I still remember the license plate GO FSTR So cool! I still want one. (without the tail though)

My 911 lust was an '86 Guards Red over champagne leather cabriolet, also with a tail. I still want one of those! That era also looks good in Venetian Blue.

How much does it cost to GT3-ify a 996?

In reply to DaewooOfDeath:

Eesh.

Wheels, suspension, bodykit and paint??? That's some serious coin right there. Guessing $6-8k???