Story and Photos by Tom Suddard
Would anybody really buy a $399 catch can? Mishimoto is obviously betting the answer is “yes,” since they have released just that. Their new Carbon Fiber Baffled Oil Catch Can has a hefty MSRP of $399, and that’s before you pay an extra $25 for a right-angle fitting if your installation requires it. (Unlike …
I would like to see a comparison of this catch can to the $35 Hardware Store Special air-water separator. It has super fine copper filter (something like 5 microns) and did a good job on my turbo z31, good enough that i plan on probably putting one on my Genesis. Only things it needs is a way to mount (I drilled and tapped a hole in the top for the bracket) and to seal off the valve at the bottom (which is usually closed by the compressed air that normally runs through them).
Nothing screams "HUMANITY DIES BY CONSUMERISM POISONING!" like a really fancy box. Whenever I see one, I think "it's wrong for so much expense and effort to go into packaging that's just going to be thrown away" and then I feel guilty for throwing it away even though the only thing that would make me feel worse would be to keep a box only because it's fancy. That "share your unboxing" stuff on the Mishimoto box takes this problem a step further and surely would've made me physically ill. I actually prefer to see stuff come in notably cheap boxes now, bonus if they're made of recycled materials.
On the positive side, this makes me feel better about paying nearly $200 for a Moroso billet aluminum baffled catch can with all the brackets/fittings/tubing etc. It came in a plain cardboard box.
GameboyRMH said:Nothing screams "HUMANITY DIES BY CONSUMERISM POISONING!" like a really fancy box. Whenever I see one, I think "it's wrong for so much expense and effort to go into packaging that's just going to be thrown away" and then I feel guilty for throwing it away even though the only thing that would make me feel worse would be to keep a box only because it's fancy. That "share your unboxing" stuff on the Mishimoto box takes this problem a step further and surely would've made me physically ill. I actually prefer to see stuff come in notably cheap boxes now, bonus if they're made of recycled materials.
On the positive side, this makes me feel better about paying nearly $200 for a Moroso billet aluminum baffled catch can with all the brackets/fittings/tubing etc. It came in a plain cardboard box.
I agree - as we buy more and more stuff from amazon and less and less from physical stores, I am inundated in cardboard. I'm not a huge fan of that part of amazon.
Also, I know 'unboxing' is just a fad but it's an annoying one.
That said, you don't sell louis vitton purses in brown paper bags (unless, of course, they aren't really louis vitton). Luxury items need to have matching luxury packaging to work as a business model, and I understand that. Good on Mishimoto for being an industry leader in recognizing that most 'tuner' parts are really just luxury goods.
Pretty fancy, but I think I will stick with my $160 Elite Engineering catch can, thank you.
BTW, you should have started with the update '04-05 LS6 valley cover #12577927 and its much improved PVC system - that would have helped to reduce the amount of oil you were seeing in intake manifold.
I have to agree with edizzle89 on this one. I made a very similar set up for my ex LS3 Corvette & it worked like a charm. It wasn't tracked , but was driven in a spirited manner when & where conditions allowed.
I always cobble something together from HomeDepot or Lowes. Unless you are competing in F1 or some other series where you absolutely have to get that last couple onces off the car I can see absolutely no need for that part. I bet if I hydro dipped an aluminum one from 3 feet you could not tell the difference.
The name alone made me smile.
As long as it does its job, who am I to say you're wrong.
I needed a solution for the Supra, so I stuck a cheap, non-baffled generic aluminum (hey, it's at least anodized a purty blue color!) can in the engine bay. I kept noticing that after hard runs, when parked overnight, I'd have a nice oil spot on the floor. Turns out, the lack of baffling was basically just blowing oil out of the can onto the underside of my intake manifold, oops.
Couple bucks worth of steel wool should fix that. ;-)
No “free” sticker = fail
poopshovel again said:No “free” sticker = fail
Build a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life.
I have noticed that the higher the expense of the part, the less likely you are to get a sticker with it. In all the Holley stuff I purchased for the stand alone EFI for my car, not 1 single sticker, although my APR mirrors DID come with 2...
I have been thinking I need to look more into catch can technology for my car, just trying to figure out how to deal with there being 2 lines to run to a single can, then venting to atmosphere or back to the intake plenum...
Thanks for the reminder!!
In reply to DjGreggieP :
On your two-into-one dilemma, you can either buy a can that has two inlets, or put a Y-fitting in the line to the can.
Baffling is the more important aspect though, if you don't knock it (the oil vapor) down, it will still remain a vapor, and likely just pass through the can, along with the oil you intend to contain.
$10 for home made (plastic oil bottle with steel wool baffle) or $399 for Mishimoto? Well, that's $389 less track time for you. Doh. Hope you learned from this.
Well, it was $Free.99 to GRM so no hard feelings there. Agree with the sentiment of not needing a CF catch can, my last one I used was a really nice Allstar Performance one that I got at a swap meet for $10
Similar to this.
https://allstarperformance.com/breather-tank-w-2-bungs-all36109/
For my street cars I just get the ebay special, stuff stainless pot scrubber inside and RTV the fittings and call it a day. For my track car (LS6 with later style valley cover) I use a little higher quality Mike Norris can also stuffed with stainless pot scrubber and a remote valve for easy drain.
Those hardware store separators leak too easy and fill up in 5 minutes. The filters that usually come in them also are destroyed by engine oil.
And here I thought I overpaid for my Elite Engineering beautiful billet catch can.
I will say though, for as much as I hate the CF look, this Mishimoto looks pretty decent.
I personally have never had an engine that needed a catch can. I just let all that bad water and oil return to the engine to be burned. Sort of like top lube.
Now let everyone tell me how I am wrong.
iceracer said:I personally have never had an engine that needed a catch can. I just let all that bad water and oil return to the engine to be burned. Sort of like top lube.
Now let everyone tell me how I am wrong.
No engine really needs a catch can. The advantages of running one are greater resistance to detonation/preignition (since oil fumes don't resist ignition well), a cleaner intake tract, longer engine oil life (if it's the dump type rather than the return type) and slower wear on exhaust sensors & catalysts. Probably slightly reduced emissions since that stuff is dumped with the used engine oil instead of being burned off. The disadvantages are up-front cost and maintenance work.
edizzle89 said:I would like to see a comparison of this catch can to the $35 Hardware Store Special air-water separator. It has super fine copper filter (something like 5 microns) and did a good job on my turbo z31, good enough that i plan on probably putting one on my Genesis. Only things it needs is a way to mount (I drilled and tapped a hole in the top for the bracket) and to seal off the valve at the bottom (which is usually closed by the compressed air that normally runs through them).
I may need to try this on my Dart... although I've also sometimes thought about trying to make a catch can out of something else like a soup can.
Now I just realized I've had a shortbread cookie can sitting on my desk. It might go well with the cake pan that is serving as a fuel tank sump.
GameboyRMH said:iceracer said:I personally have never had an engine that needed a catch can. I just let all that bad water and oil return to the engine to be burned. Sort of like top lube.
Now let everyone tell me how I am wrong.
No engine really needs a catch can. The advantages of running one are greater resistance to detonation/preignition (since oil fumes don't resist ignition well), a cleaner intake tract, longer engine oil life (if it's the dump type rather than the return type) and slower wear on exhaust sensors & catalysts. Probably slightly reduced emissions since that stuff is dumped with the used engine oil instead of being burned off. The disadvantages are up-front cost and maintenance work.
This is number one for me. My engine is fairly high strung though, I'd rather not take the chance of blowing a piston at 20+ psi. Second for me, ever take apart a turbo engine? The piping is absolutely disgusting and caked up with crud from the oil that doesn't work its way back into the engine to be burned off. Intercoolers are a nice place to collect said crud... yuck.
So, for a few bucks and a couple lines, a tiny bit of maintenance down the road when you need to drain the can, you get to avoid a rather nasty amount of cleanup if / when you decide to refresh the engine or change something up. =)
to each his own
i have an American Made Peterson breather/baffle can on my Camaro http://www.petersonfluidsys.com/breathercan-080400.html
...where stuff is made makes a difference to me. Mishimoto states they have an "R & D facility in New Castle, Delaware" which is good...but they don't say where the products are made - could be all over the place, i don't know. Peterson has a statement on there page, "Made in the USA" - sold.
How is this better than my empty Gatorade bottle with a hole in the cap? Serious question: I really don't know what these things do.
LanEvo said:How is this better than my empty Gatorade bottle with a hole in the cap? Serious question: I really don't know what these things do.
They're primary function is making your wallet lighter.
In reply to LanEvo :
A properly designed one will have internal baffling tgat will cause the oil mist in the air passing through it to settle out. Keeps pvc systems cleaner as well as it helps prevent carbon and gunk buildup throughout a motor
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