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yupididit
yupididit Reader
12/27/14 12:40 a.m.

Back seat in the IS-F is near useless.

C63/E63 or CTS-V.

JFX001
JFX001 UberDork
12/27/14 2:36 a.m.
yupididit wrote: Back seat in the IS-F is near useless. C63/E63 or CTS-V.

It does look a little snug given the front seat positions...then again, I don't ride in the back of my cars.

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/4769201133.html

Armitage
Armitage HalfDork
12/27/14 8:21 a.m.

Surprise the whole family and drag home a '92 Galant VR-4 :)

G8MikeGXP
G8MikeGXP New Reader
12/27/14 8:28 a.m.
wearymicrobe wrote: Are we missing the white whale in the room

$30k gets you one with around 40 or 50 thousand miles. Autos were about 60% of the run, so you shouldn't have a problem finding one. You'll be disappointed with the refinement compared to the BMW. Mine gets 18mpg in mixed driving. On the highway at 80, it'll average about 20. In 60k miles, mine has needed oil changes and I replaced the clutch fluid. I'm still on the factory brake pads.

poopshovel
poopshovel MegaDork
12/27/14 8:38 a.m.

V2 CTS-V would be #1 on my list, and yes, you can get them with flappy paddles.

BradLTL
BradLTL Dork
12/27/14 8:39 a.m.
poopshovel wrote: V2 CTS-V would be #1 on my list, and yes, you can get them with flappy paddles.

Are the paddles decent? Or are they a marketing department checkbox?

poopshovel
poopshovel MegaDork
12/27/14 8:44 a.m.
BradLTL wrote:
poopshovel wrote: V2 CTS-V would be #1 on my list, and yes, you can get them with flappy paddles.

Are the paddles decent? Or are they a marketing department checkbox?

No idea, but any car I've driven that has them (including the C63 and E63 AMG, which have the best flappy paddle boxes I've experienced,) I've ended up just leaving in "auto" anyway.

BradLTL
BradLTL Dork
12/27/14 8:57 a.m.

In reply to poopshovel:

The M5 had the SMG. It was basically a paddle driven manual transmission. It had an auto mode, but manual shifting was much better and smoother. Once I got a feel for it, I enjoyed using it.

I know Acuras have paddles, but they are design not function. Audi has the DSG with the dual clutch. Mercedes seems to be somewhere in the middle.

Functional paddles are probably the best compromise (since my wife doesn't drive a stick), second choice would be a manual, least desirable is a full auto.

BradLTL
BradLTL Dork
12/27/14 9:04 a.m.

Doug Demuro says the auto is ok in the CTS-V

http://dougdemuro.kinja.com/cts-v-wagon-update-do-i-regret-buying-an-automatic-1252845308

Carro Atrezzi
Carro Atrezzi HalfDork
12/27/14 9:37 a.m.

I've had a bad jones for a Dodge Magnum. You know, the station wagon they made for a couple of years. Those things can be modded for BIG power. They're simple enough that you can fix most issues in your home garage.

BradLTL
BradLTL Dork
12/27/14 10:16 a.m.

Current front-runner:

http://m.carmax.com/vehicle/11148719

Low miles, plus available CarMax's warranty makes it easier on the wife's standards.

Thoughts? Comments?

BradLTL
BradLTL Dork
12/27/14 11:48 a.m.

Low mileage plus warranty is trumps with the wife.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe SuperDork
12/27/14 11:52 a.m.

Overpriced by ~3K maybe. But it is a stick.

Vigo
Vigo PowerDork
12/27/14 12:15 p.m.

Im kind of amazed how much fun you (/wife) can take out of shopping in this segment.

Funny as it sounds, i dont think a lot of the stuff mentioned here is comparable to a fast 5 series in any way other than being a 'super sedan'. If i were looking for a 'nice' car i'd probably rather have a regular 545 plus bits and pieces than a top spec old cadillac or a g8 or a lot of these other options which are spiffed up versions of fairly plain vehicles.

poopshovel
poopshovel MegaDork
12/27/14 12:44 p.m.
BradLTL wrote: Current front-runner: http://m.carmax.com/vehicle/11148719 Low miles, plus available CarMax's warranty makes it easier on the wife's standards. Thoughts? Comments?

That is probably the most expensive V1 in the country, and all the V1's are manual.

I was pointing you toward a V2. But if you're looking for a V1 there are tons of nice ones out there well under $20k.

$9,000 buys a lot of tires & maintenance.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/cto/4817993045.html

$25k gets you in V2 territory.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=30513&endYear=2015&modelCode1=CTS&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=75964&startYear=2007&makeCode1=CAD&engineCodes=8CLDR&engineCode=8CLDR&searchRadius=0&maxPrice=40000&showcaseListingId=388232934&mmt=[CAD[CTS[]][]]&listingId=377877899&Log=0

92dxman
92dxman Dork
12/27/14 2:16 p.m.

SRT8 is your answer:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=60477&endYear=2015&modelCode1=300&showcaseOwnerId=575420&startYear=1981&makeCode1=CHRY&searchRadius=100&maxPrice=30000&showcaseListingId=379622976&trim1=300%7CSRT8&mmt=%5BCHRY%5B300%5B300%257CSRT8%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=385866898&Log=0

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=60477&endYear=2015&modelCode1=300&showcaseOwnerId=575420&startYear=1981&makeCode1=CHRY&searchRadius=100&maxPrice=30000&showcaseListingId=379622976&trim1=300%7CSRT8&mmt=%5BCHRY%5B300%5B300%257CSRT8%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=388201909&Log=0

Magnum SRT8 :

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=60477&endYear=2015&modelCode1=MAGNUM&showcaseOwnerId=64348267&startYear=1981&makeCode1=DODGE&engineCodes=8CLDR&engineCode=8CLDR&searchRadius=100&mmt=%5BDODGE%5BMAGNUM%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=389651636&Log=0

BradLTL
BradLTL Dork
12/28/14 4:06 p.m.

Ugh... this is miserable.

So, the CTS-V I posted earlier sold (was it one of you?). It was the best option I had found to this point. Yes, it was the most expensive Gen 1 CTS-V, but I considered that a "wife premium". It had low miles and the benefit of coming with a CarMax warranty, plus I would have paid about 3k less than the list price. If I wasn't able to find anything else, I would have gone in to buy it Monday.

Now, I don't have that option. This is the least fun I've had shopping for a new car.

I would be happy with a Gen-1 CTS-V, but I only want to pay about 15-18k. When I bought the M5, I figured it was at the bottom of the depreciation curve and would mostly hold it's value over time. I'm not so sure about the CTS-V.

Gen-2 CTS-Vs are nice, but I suspect that in a few years they'll be worth the same as the Gen-1's are now. So, paying 30,000+ for one now, to only have it worth half as much in a couple years doesn't seem appealing.

The C63 is the coolest car on my list currently, but at 29-35k not counting warranty costs it's a bit stout on the cost. The other issue is the backseat. It looks a bit snug. I'll check one out in person tomorrow to verify.

The thing is that I want to spend 18k or less. The wife wants basically a CPO car and would rather spend up to 30k. There are cool cars in my range but they tend to lack the low mileage, newer, warranty requirements. There are plenty of family suitable cars in my wife's range, but they tend to be beige. There isn't much in the middle.

poopshovel
poopshovel MegaDork
12/28/14 4:43 p.m.

So the manual trans is no longer an issue?

Warranty Shmarranty. In the words of Tommy Boy: "I can take a E36 M3 in a box and stamp a guarantee on it, but all you're buying is a guaranteed piece of E36 M3."

Also: If you want to pay a $5k premium (25% of the total cost,) for low mileage, consider this: They DID have problems; most notably the factory radiators and differentials. Most V1's with 100k or so miles have had these issues addressed already.

Personally, I'd rather have a $15k, 100,000 - 120,000, 1 or 2 owner mile well-maintained car than a 40,000 mile car that's due for serious maintenance for $10k more, but YMMV.

I'm glad you didn't spend crack-smoking money on that under-driven, hideous burgundy colored one, FWIW

BradLTL
BradLTL Dork
12/28/14 4:49 p.m.
poopshovel wrote: I'm glad you didn't spend crack-smoking money on that under-driven, hideous burgundy colored one, FWIW

Thanks for the moral support.

I'm with you, I'd be fine with a car with 100k on it. My wife makes it a no-go. Compromise makes car shopping no fun.

poopshovel
poopshovel MegaDork
12/28/14 4:56 p.m.

Wish this had popped up 12 months ago. I'd have been on it like stink on E36 M3!

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/cto/4821352166.html

calteg
calteg HalfDork
12/28/14 5:04 p.m.

V1 CTS-V will go through OEM motor mounts on a regular basis as well.

The IS-F is incredible, easily the best all-around car I've ever owned, though I have tinkered with mine a little bit.

BradLTL
BradLTL Dork
12/28/14 5:19 p.m.

I'm kinda at the "punt" mode and am just trying to get a half decent car....

Audi A4 Avant

Thoughts on this?

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
12/28/14 5:37 p.m.
BradLTL wrote: I'm kinda at the "punt" mode and am just trying to get a half decent car.... Audi A4 Avant Thoughts on this?

on the plus side, it's a wagon, and it's very nice looking.

on the minus side, an A4 2.0 is about as exciting as a Honda Accord (possibly less exciting, actually), it's an automatic (even less exciting), and it's VAG, so you'll still get nickel-and-dimed with stupid stuff breaking.

If you're just "punting", why not buy a fully-decent car (like an Accord) rather than a half-decent car?

yamaha
yamaha MegaDork
12/28/14 6:46 p.m.
ansonivan wrote: Maserati Quattroporte, what could possibly go wrong?

About as much as that Lexus IS-F mentioned above. Honestly, I'd just recommend a different M5. Sounds like yours was beaten and not maintained prior to your ownership.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
12/28/14 6:50 p.m.

I would hate to have to pay someone else to maintain/repair my M5.

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