Anything British. Pretty much a farm implement industry disguised as an Automobile industry.
That said, the futile attempts by individuals such as myself of attaining reliablitily, have keept a thriving hobby industry going for many years.
Anything British. Pretty much a farm implement industry disguised as an Automobile industry.
That said, the futile attempts by individuals such as myself of attaining reliablitily, have keept a thriving hobby industry going for many years.
NOHOME wrote: Anything British. Pretty much a farm implement industry disguised as an Automobile industry. That said, the futile attempts by individuals such as myself of attaining reliablitily, have keept a thriving hobby industry going for many years.
Yeah, the Brits build some crappy cars like the McLaren F1, Lotus 7, E-type Jag, Elise and oh yeah the whole F1 grid except Ferrair, Torro Rosso and HRT
ST_ZX2 wrote: The Cadillac of Minivans
I did some fleet work on a bunch of these (car and van) and they were quite reliable. Quite ugly, but reliable nonetheless.
Adrian_Thompson wrote:NOHOME wrote: Anything British. Pretty much a farm implement industry disguised as an Automobile industry. That said, the futile attempts by individuals such as myself of attaining reliablitily, have keept a thriving hobby industry going for many years.Yeah, the Brits build some crappy cars like the McLaren F1, Lotus 7, E-type Jag, Elise and oh yeah the whole F1 grid except Ferrair, Torro Rosso and HRT
And that only scratches surface. I think his comment was meant as hyperbole, but I get tired of hearing how British cars are horrible as well.
I say life is too short to driving boring cars so I think pretty much anything that is a just a reliable appliance with no redeeming dynamic qualities is the most boring car ever built. So that eliminates all British cars.
MG Bryan wrote: I think his comment was meant as hyperbole, but I get tired of hearing how British cars are horrible as well.
They are horrible, awful cars. That is why I am so dismayed that I can't get anyone to throw away a nice clean MGB-GT or GT-6 for beer money so I can join the suffering.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:MG Bryan wrote: I think his comment was meant as hyperbole, but I get tired of hearing how British cars are horrible as well.They are horrible, awful cars. That is why I am so dismayed that I can't get anyone to throw away a nice clean MGB-GT or GT-6 for beer money so I can join the suffering.
amen. too many masochists around here.
I'll admit... I wanted one.
I'd still have it. Nice thing about the Tempo- it's reasonably reliable and you can get them for nothing. Dad had one and I liked it. Meh. What 'cha gonna do. Be cool to put a turbo charged Zetec or something in one.
Now, worst car ever? Dad had one of these too. It was bad. Very bad.
But even it has it's fans and I undersand an X11 was pretty cool.
OK I'm stupid. What is so bad about the Tempo? Boring and slow don't necessarily make it a "worst car".
Nomination:
Aveo.
Designed to replace the Metro/Swift/Firefly etc....
It's a Daewoo. It's ugly, slow, horribly put together, and about as crude a pos as anything I have come across.
Can anyone think of any redeeming qualities?
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:MG Bryan wrote: I think his comment was meant as hyperbole, but I get tired of hearing how British cars are horrible as well.They are horrible, awful cars. That is why I am so dismayed that I can't get anyone to throw away a nice clean MGB-GT or GT-6 for beer money so I can join the suffering.
My BGT was stupidly reliable for what it was. Sure, it has almost no metal left in the sills, which resulted in it getting parked until I can commit the time, money and effort to the metal work, but the mechanical work great, and the 40 year old wiring never gave me any problems. Everything that failed on my '66 Tourer had been poorly modified by the dumb previous owner.
There was a clean Mk II BGT roller for sale down in this area not that long ago. I'm not sure how far north in PA you are, but, if you want, I'll shoot you the ads if anything pops up on my radar again.
No personal experience, but wasn't the Volkswagen Phaeton a total disaster? Ridiculous service costs, zero trade in at dealerships, and a concept nobody understood.
ScottRA21 wrote: Nomination:
After working on the them more and more in the last few months i must say that these car truly sad cars. Everything feels cheap in em and i feel like they will break if you push it to any degree.
Redeeming qualities? In a few years they will be cheap and could be fun to toy with?
Adrian_Thompson wrote:NOHOME wrote: Anything British. Pretty much a farm implement industry disguised as an Automobile industry. That said, the futile attempts by individuals such as myself of attaining reliablitily, have keept a thriving hobby industry going for many years.Yeah, the Brits build some crappy cars like the McLaren F1, Lotus 7, E-type Jag, Elise and oh yeah the whole F1 grid except Ferrair, Torro Rosso and HRT
I feel your moral outrage, but we are not talking race cars,so scratch the formula one grid. The Elise is a Toyota. As to the Jag, just cause its pretty does not take it off the E36 M3-box list. Walking home after spending that much money sucks.
NOHOME wrote: The Elise is a Toyota.
So an Elite was a Coventry Climax and the Europa was a Renault?
Worst car I've driven was one of these as a rental. I had to drive it half way across Iowa on I-80 twice.
Worst vehicles I have owned, in no objective order.
1984 Rabbit Diesel...ugh. Drilled holes in the airbox so the filter wouldn't choke on oil blow-by. Started reliably once I ran a hose into the cabin so I could give it a shot of ether to start it. Maybe not the best example, but no real redeeming qualities.
1990 Dodge Daytona -- What was I thinking?
1987 Escort -- 1.9L "High Output"
1997 Sea Doo Speedster -- This boat didn't do anything well that you couldn't do a on a Jet Ski.
1985 RX-7 GSL-SE -- Lots of love around here, but it was a turd. I polished it for a while and sent it on. I tried really hard to love it. It was a foul-running, unreliable beast. Noisy. Solid rear axle and pittman arm steering. Arrive to work smelling like you rode in on a weed-eater.
MG Bryan wrote:NOHOME wrote: The Elise is a Toyota.So an Elite was a Coventry Climax and the Europa was a Renault?
If you will, but more like a good way to get some fresh air as you walked home.
I have been addicted to these E36 M3boxes for the last 30 years and continue to spend an inordinate amount of time repairing and restoring them: 3 MGBs, 1 Bugeye, 1 TR6 and a Healey 3000 in the last two years, plus a 67 MGB Gt that I use as my summer wheels, but that does not mean that I wont flag them all as obsolete technology the day they were released to the public. For heavens sake, the MGB did not have synchro in first gear all the way up to 1967, and the "Moss" box in the beautiful Jag was torture until the series two came out. As much as I have always lusted after the Lotus, it was really never more than a Kit car sold at dealers. Climate control/weather kit should have consited of a life-vest even in the coupes!
So I am not saying that they cant be fun when they are running, but not great cars in the context of industry standards of the day.
Trans_Maro wrote: Also, someone said the 2nd gen MR2 looks aggressive? Pardon? Since when does a jellybean look aggressive?
I think it does, especially in Turbo trim. It wasn't known as the "poor man's ferrari" for nothing...
I actually think the last-generation Supra looks way more like a Jellybean. An angry jellybean.
+1 For the Aveo being the worst. I have had several fo the cars listed and hands down the Aveo is by far the worst POS I have ever owned. I bought the thing new base model 5-speed for $8800. It does not get good mileage, handles poorly breaks down frequently and the suspension wore out before 100,000 miles. Mine now has 158,000 miles on it and I am about ready to park it and replace it with a 98 Park Avenue instead of installing a $400 rear axle. Total POS (Sorry for the rant I just hate that car)
dmyntti wrote: +1 For the Aveo being the worst. I have had several fo the cars listed and hands down the Aveo is by far the worst POS I have ever owned. I bought the thing new base model 5-speed for $8800. It does not get good mileage, handles poorly breaks down frequently and the suspension wore out before 100,000 miles. Mine now has 158,000 miles on it and I am about ready to park it and replace it with a 98 Park Avenue instead of installing a $400 rear axle. Total POS (Sorry for the rant I just hate that car)
you need to put it out os its life by entering a demo derby then to put it out with a blaze of glory meybe...
Twin_Cam wrote: 1996 is probably when Toyotas started going slightly downhill. That still makes them more reliable than most of the other crap cranked out by other manufacturers, though. I would still drive a Corolla long before I would drive a Cruze or whatever Dodge passes as a small car now. And reliability is something that can make a car much more attractive to me than it normally would be. You think I'd drive a Saturn sedan if I cared about looks and speed over reliability? That said, my worst car pick would have to be one of the most colossally unreliable cars of all time:Daewoo. In this case, the Nubria. They sold these things 'buy one get one free' for a while because you needed a parts car straight from the showroom.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/reader-rides/4030/ http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/complete-build-thread-daewoo-nubira/25810/page1/
The engines are horriblen (Aveo Engine!), they are not well built, but they are much, much better cars than any Cavalier ever built. I say this as someone with experience in both.
The worst vehicles I've ever had the misfortune of driving were a 1974 International truck that combined 11 mpg, maybe 80 hp, horrifying chassis flex and the ability to breakdown once every 400 miles and attract rust like an old Lancia. I also suffered through a Citation - the Iron Duke might actually be worse than the Aveo engine - and a Dodge Duster.
Objectively, my sisters 98 Kia Sephia and my buddy's Super Beetle were just as bad, but they are so awful that they made me laugh every time I drove them.
irish44j wrote: I think it does, especially in Turbo trim. It wasn't known as the "poor man's ferrari" for nothing...
That's the first time I've ever heard a MR2 called the "poor man's Ferrari" and I've owned a LOT of Toyota products. 
It's a good performer, it just looks blah.
Can we call the Cavalier / Sunturd with the fake stick-on Testarossa style vents a "poor man's Ferrari" too?
Why don't we take a vote and do this right. Everyone can name 5 cars. Add your nominees here and I'll start a new post and tally up the winner. I say the top 5 should be reprented at the Challenge. Here is a list of North American models so far:
GM products:
From Ford:
Chrysler:
AMC/Jeep/Renault
Asian:
Everything Else:
As a Yugo owner, I consider it a badge of honor to be included in any top 10 worst list. In fact, I'd be insulted if Yugo WASN'T on the list!
If Car Talk can call it the worst car of all time, I can certainly agree with a great big smile on my face!
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