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T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
9/18/15 1:34 p.m.

VW is clever, but now has been caught.

Sounds pretty ingenious, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Clean diesel indeed.

SlickDizzy
SlickDizzy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/18/15 2:01 p.m.

In reply to T.J.:

They're scrubbing the web of all their "clean diesel" marketing too.

I have a feeling this is going to go a lot farther than a recall of 500k vehicles.

Coldsnap
Coldsnap HalfDork
9/18/15 2:12 p.m.

"EPA regulators said that Volkswagen adopted a "sophisticated" algorithm that turned on vehicles' full emissions controls when it detected they were being tested for emissions performance."

HOly E36 M3

gearheadmb
gearheadmb Reader
9/18/15 2:26 p.m.

If an individual did this with his modified car to pass smog we would all be calling him a genious.

Ian F
Ian F MegaDork
9/18/15 2:27 p.m.

Wow...

Of course, my '03 has practically no emissions controls and leaves a small superfund site wherever it goes...

Ian F
Ian F MegaDork
9/18/15 2:30 p.m.

In reply to gearheadmb:

Oh it is genius. Incredibly illegal, but genius.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/18/15 2:37 p.m.
gearheadmb wrote: If an individual did this with his modified car to pass smog we would all be calling him a genious.

Maybe. But there's a difference between a few people willingly skirting emissions controls for performance reasons, and an automaker deceiving the public and creating millions of vehicles that pollute illegally right off the shelf without anyone's knowledge.

We'd also be calling that guy lawyerbait for sure though.

KyAllroad
KyAllroad SuperDork
9/18/15 2:44 p.m.

I just heard about this on the news. It has the potential of being the worst PR possible for the peoples' car company.

gearheadmb
gearheadmb Reader
9/18/15 2:53 p.m.

In reply to GameboyRMH:

The government wouldnt go after that guy. That guy doesnt have enough money to make it worth protecting the environment. But a big company like vw? Oh man, the govt will proect the E36 M3 out of the planet then.

T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
9/18/15 2:55 p.m.

Yeah. Selling your diesels as 'clean' when they actually pollute 40x the legal limit. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the VW executive boardroom as they determine who to make the fall guy for this.

logdog
logdog GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/18/15 3:01 p.m.

How do you say "rolling coal" in German?

The0retical
The0retical Dork
9/18/15 3:02 p.m.

Wow now that is ballsy. I was wondering how VAG got its clean diesel program going so quickly and efficiently in the US but Mazda hadn't been able to do the same.

NOHOME
NOHOME UberDork
9/18/15 3:02 p.m.
T.J. wrote: Yeah. Selling your diesels as 'clean' when they actually pollute 40x the legal limit. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the VW executive boardroom as they determine who to make the fall guy for this.

If they want to call me up, pay me a years salary and a generous separation settlement, I will fly over and take the heat.

I have to admit that one of my sets of morals wants to give Volkswagen a standing ovation for this.

All they gots to say is that they are going to take their assembly line home and it should go away.

CobraSpdRH
CobraSpdRH Reader
9/18/15 3:06 p.m.

Hmm, so are there any Golf GTd's in the US yet that I might be able to snag a smoking deal on?

KyAllroad
KyAllroad SuperDork
9/18/15 3:20 p.m.
NOHOME wrote:
T.J. wrote: Yeah. Selling your diesels as 'clean' when they actually pollute 40x the legal limit. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the VW executive boardroom as they determine who to make the fall guy for this.
If they want to call me up, pay me a years salary and a generous separation settlement, I will fly over and take the heat.

Sign me up for some of that!!

nderwater
nderwater PowerDork
9/18/15 3:23 p.m.

How much do you want to bet they were doing this in other markets, too? I bet this is just the first salvo in a whole series of fines lawsuits around the world.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/18/15 3:24 p.m.

I think it's hilarious.

gearheadmb
gearheadmb Reader
9/18/15 3:29 p.m.

I have so many jokes running through my head that would put me on the bannedwagon right now.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/18/15 3:36 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I think it's hilarious.

I'm with Keith on this one. Hilarious for sure.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
9/18/15 3:38 p.m.

They clearly need to get handed a mighty fine, but whoever those engineers were shouldn't have any problem finding new jobs.

Mitchell
Mitchell UltraDork
9/18/15 3:50 p.m.

Not sure how much I would be interested in hiring someone exposing the prior employer to billions in fines and potential lost revenue.

SlickDizzy
SlickDizzy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/18/15 3:52 p.m.

Those decisions tend to come from the top; I doubt a rogue team of engineers just decided to implement such a feature off the cuff.

Anyone else seeing a Mazda diesel ad in their head right now? "Clean diesel. No cheating."

nocones
nocones GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/18/15 4:03 p.m.

Don't most automakers do this with EPA MPG testing? And really don't all manufactures develop emmissions controls to match the test cycle? Im just wondering if this is really a situation where VW intentionally cheated emissions or if the EPA testing requirements are so much different than real use that the tuning for the rest of the vehicle operation is able to be much more open because it's not tested.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UberDork
9/18/15 4:04 p.m.
SlickDizzy wrote: In reply to T.J.: They're scrubbing the web of all their "clean diesel" marketing too. I have a feeling this is going to go a lot farther than a recall of 500k vehicles.

They need to come up with a "We cheat the government and pass the savings on to you" campaign to replace their deleted ads.

captdownshift
captdownshift GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/18/15 4:26 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce:

exactly, they'll slide right over to the motorsports side working on the traction control systems

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