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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/28/19 1:09 p.m.
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Solo’s Street classes are dominated by late-model cars. In fact, for national-level events, it’s right there in the rules:

A car will remain eligible for National events through the end of the 30th calendar year after the manufacturer-designated model year of the car. This eligibility limitation applies only to the Street classes.

So why does the entry list for the …

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L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf New Reader
8/28/19 1:34 p.m.

Back in the early 80s my AutoX car was an MBG (with knockoff non-wire wire wheels). SoCal wasn't running under SCCA then and the B was up against 240Z cars. I was part of the group that decided to adopt SCCA's rules. I don't recall this 30 year rule and don't get it's purpose. SCCA's rules weren't my personal choice and rules like tht are kinda why.

 

Good luck at the Nationals. 

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
8/28/19 1:35 p.m.

That's berking awesome

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand UberDork
8/28/19 2:54 p.m.
L5wolvesf said:

Back in the early 80s my AutoX car was an MBG (with knockoff non-wire wire wheels). SoCal wasn't running under SCCA then and the B was up against 240Z cars. I was part of the group that decided to adopt SCCA's rules. I don't recall this 30 year rule and don't get it's purpose. SCCA's rules weren't my personal choice and rules like tht are kinda why.

I would speculate that the rule is there to limit the scope of the cars they have to consider when classing, and to prevent some 40-year-old, mostly forgotten unicorn car from becoming an unintended overdog when it gets misclassed.  IIRC something like that happened around Y2K with late-60s US market TVRs.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson MegaDork
8/28/19 3:01 p.m.

Why are you taking it?  Because it's berkeleying awesome that's why!

jr02518
jr02518 Reader
8/28/19 3:08 p.m.

David,

Please let the "power's to be know" they could have a number of cars that would love to take advantage of the HCR/HCS opportunity at the Nationals.  The Heritage Classic rule set is wide enough to bring out cars that have been relegated to garage queen status.  They are a blast to drive and the tires are no longer the issue! 

 https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/015/312/2016_Heritage_Classic_Rules.pdf?1464904752 

And yes, they have 1300 ish cars already coming to the event.  What's a few more cool older cars in the mix.

Having driven a "B", drive it like you stooled it.   It will hang on in the corners, it just feels like it's going to scrape off the door handles.

David

 

 

Danny Shields
Danny Shields GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
8/28/19 3:38 p.m.

Great looking MGB GT there!

But when I click the link "Read the rest of the story" I still don't get the rest of the story. Come on, David, tell us all about it! 

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
8/28/19 4:06 p.m.

That is a nice car and a nice pic. can't tell if the car is dark green or black.

 

For one brief second, I thought you got your hands on Keiths LSx MGB GT.

 

Pete

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf New Reader
8/28/19 7:15 p.m.
codrus said:
L5wolvesf said:

Back in the early 80s my AutoX car was an MBG (with knockoff non-wire wire wheels). SoCal wasn't running under SCCA then and the B was up against 240Z cars. I was part of the group that decided to adopt SCCA's rules. I don't recall this 30 year rule and don't get it's purpose. SCCA's rules weren't my personal choice and rules like tht are kinda why.

I would speculate that the rule is there to limit the scope of the cars they have to consider when classing, and to prevent some 40-year-old, mostly forgotten unicorn car from becoming an unintended overdog when it gets misclassed.  IIRC something like that happened around Y2K with late-60s US market TVRs.

Since this sorta off topic I don’t want to go too far off line here but as briefly as I can make this . . .

Your speculation may unfortunately be correct and that is one of the things that the SoCal group was concerned about when we discussed going to SCCA’s rules and classes. It looks like the concern was warranted.

 

SCCA is the Sports Car Club of America part of their raison d'etre is to classify cars for competition. So the ‘it’s old’ argument is weak at best and more like shirking their duty.

 

The MGB was a mass produced sports car, perhaps along the lines of, in numbers and as forgotten as, (off the top of my head) Porsches or RX 7s or Datsun Zs. There are lots of them still out there. It isn’t like someone is asking for a Desoto Station Wagon to be classified.

 

SCCA has failed similarly in the past in the road race program so they clearly don’t get it.

 

P.S. I would love to read the restof the article too.

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf New Reader
8/28/19 7:16 p.m.
NOHOME said:

That is a nice car and a nice pic. can't tell if the car is dark green or black.

British Racing Green

759NRNG
759NRNG UltraDork
8/28/19 8:34 p.m.

WATCHING VERY CLOSELY.......awesome !

alfadriver
alfadriver GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/29/19 6:34 a.m.

Being a former autocrosser of a very classic car of a similar era, I fully support this.  As well as supporting historic classes for autocrossing.

Have fun.

(on a side note, I don't see historic autocrossing doing the same as historic racing.  Just not enough people who want do it, even when it's a realistic option)

tr8todd
tr8todd SuperDork
8/29/19 6:52 a.m.

I have a 72 MGB in my garage now.  Its been parked in the back, stuck in garage purgatory for close to 20 years.  Before that my buddy rescued it from a field, before that it was used to settle a bar tab.  20 years ago I dragged it home and cut off the rusty flared fenders.  Car looked cool but needed extensive body work, which now is mostly done.  Anyway, as I was cutting away metal, dash plaques kept falling out.  There were ones from SCCA showroom stock events, nationals, etc. from the 70s.  There were also a ton of solo plaques from the 80s.  I'm guessing it was a showroom stock car from new, and then when it got too old, it was modified, flared, and turned into either a production car, autcross car, or both.  No Vins, logbook, or title came with the car.  It was originally purple, but looks like it was painted yellow for competition.  When I got it, it had a quicky rattle can black paint job.

spacecadet
spacecadet GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/29/19 6:53 a.m.
L5wolvesf said:
codrus said:
L5wolvesf said:

Back in the early 80s my AutoX car was an MBG (with knockoff non-wire wire wheels). SoCal wasn't running under SCCA then and the B was up against 240Z cars. I was part of the group that decided to adopt SCCA's rules. I don't recall this 30 year rule and don't get it's purpose. SCCA's rules weren't my personal choice and rules like tht are kinda why.

I would speculate that the rule is there to limit the scope of the cars they have to consider when classing, and to prevent some 40-year-old, mostly forgotten unicorn car from becoming an unintended overdog when it gets misclassed.  IIRC something like that happened around Y2K with late-60s US market TVRs.

Since this sorta off topic I don’t want to go too far off line here but as briefly as I can make this . . .

Your speculation may unfortunately be correct and that is one of the things that the SoCal group was concerned about when we discussed going to SCCA’s rules and classes. It looks like the concern was warranted.

 

SCCA is the Sports Car Club of America part of their raison d'etre is to classify cars for competition. So the ‘it’s old’ argument is weak at best and more like shirking their duty.

 

The MGB was a mass produced sports car, perhaps along the lines of, in numbers and as forgotten as, (off the top of my head) Porsches or RX 7s or Datsun Zs. There are lots of them still out there. It isn’t like someone is asking for a Desoto Station Wagon to be classified.

 

SCCA has failed similarly in the past in the road race program so they clearly don’t get it.

 

P.S. I would love to read the restof the article too.

The rule is supposed to keep something obscure from long ago where options and other things weren't well documented from being a national player. 

SCCA National Autox is primarily about the competition and there's fun to be had in it. But the ability to enforce rules does play a role in why rules like this exist. Regional autox has its own set of goals and as such this is totally legal at a regional level in street and it can be run nationally any class above street where it's officially classed(street prepared, street mod, prepared)

I've otherwise kept quiet on this cause I'm just taking a sit back shut up and wait approach to see what Wallens is up to. 

wspohn
wspohn Dork
8/29/19 12:52 p.m.

Great thing to do, although in a retro way and with a small handicap in using the heavier/higher centre of gravity GT version.  Inherently better handling than most of the contemporary sports cars (Healey, TR, Sunbeam etc.) they still do fairly well in vintage.

I briefly slalomed an MGA before tracking it and had excellent results.

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
8/29/19 1:01 p.m.

OK, now that I am convinced that you ARE taking a butter knife to a bazooka fight, I still have no idea WHY you would do so.

 

Pete

jr02518
jr02518 Reader
8/29/19 2:12 p.m.

As it is British, when it's raining it will be right at home!

Ransom
Ransom GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
8/29/19 4:32 p.m.
alfadriver said:

Being a former autocrosser of a very classic car of a similar era, I fully support this.  As well as supporting historic classes for autocrossing.

Have fun.

(on a side note, I don't see historic autocrossing doing the same as historic racing.  Just not enough people who want do it, even when it's a realistic option)

I'd love to see more of it. As the values creep up, being able to use it for competition without gutting it seems like it would have a draw. But I think it would take a few interesting cars in the same place at the same time to have any chance of generating buzz and encouraging a movement.

I'll do my part! I just ordered a set of externally adjustable lever arm dampers for my GT. So excited to get it solid enough for some autocross baselining before I really start in with the anachronisms.

captdownshift
captdownshift GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/29/19 8:29 p.m.

MG Limited and crew in Wisconsin selling restored as new making it eligible again? 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/30/19 10:24 p.m.

To be honest, there isn't any more to the story--something got posted prematurely, hence this thread that doesn't really lead anywhere. Sorry about that. But, hey, we can still talk about it. 

Sadly, we had to pull the plug on the MGB effort due to the hurricane. JG and I got to our go/no-go point and decided to scrub the mission: We don't know exactly where the hurricane will hit, but we need to stay here with our families. Yes, we're bummed, but it's a Cat 4. We've been through this before and, yeah, it's kinda stressful. 

The photo above was grabbed from our files. Here's a photo of the actual MGB that Carl and I were going to drive:

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/30/19 10:29 p.m.

It's legit bone-stock. Tires are Falken Azenis. Notice the lack of trim rings and center caps. We were keeping it period-correct. 

At Porsche Parade, at least, the PCA also has an age cutoff for stock classes. I can see that. My '84 Carrera is totally stock--well, except for the Turbo tie rods. And the duck tail. And a few things in the emission system.  

We wanted to do something different for Nationals and got permission to run for exhibition. 

On the plus side, we now have a year to sort it.

Thanks again for the interest. Oh, here's the plug: Look for some updates on this one inClassic Motorsports.

dps214
dps214 Reader
8/30/19 10:57 p.m.
L5wolvesf said:
codrus said:
L5wolvesf said:

Back in the early 80s my AutoX car was an MBG (with knockoff non-wire wire wheels). SoCal wasn't running under SCCA then and the B was up against 240Z cars. I was part of the group that decided to adopt SCCA's rules. I don't recall this 30 year rule and don't get it's purpose. SCCA's rules weren't my personal choice and rules like tht are kinda why.

I would speculate that the rule is there to limit the scope of the cars they have to consider when classing, and to prevent some 40-year-old, mostly forgotten unicorn car from becoming an unintended overdog when it gets misclassed.  IIRC something like that happened around Y2K with late-60s US market TVRs.

Since this sorta off topic I don’t want to go too far off line here but as briefly as I can make this . . .

Your speculation may unfortunately be correct and that is one of the things that the SoCal group was concerned about when we discussed going to SCCA’s rules and classes. It looks like the concern was warranted.

 

SCCA is the Sports Car Club of America part of their raison d'etre is to classify cars for competition. So the ‘it’s old’ argument is weak at best and more like shirking their duty.

 

The MGB was a mass produced sports car, perhaps along the lines of, in numbers and as forgotten as, (off the top of my head) Porsches or RX 7s or Datsun Zs. There are lots of them still out there. It isn’t like someone is asking for a Desoto Station Wagon to be classified.

 

SCCA has failed similarly in the past in the road race program so they clearly don’t get it.

 

P.S. I would love to read the restof the article too.

You guys know that this rule only applies to national competition, right? At the local level you can run whatever you want. Also regions are allowed to modify the rules to their heart's content anyway.A if it's a non-scca club that gives you even more freedom.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/30/19 11:12 p.m.

Yep, that is totally true: The age limit only applies for national level events and, also yep, local regions can adopt rules as they see fit. If they want/need a class for teal Malibus, they can make it. Locally, yeah, we can run the MGB in H Street. 

Also, mad props to Carl for swapping the car back to SUs so that it would be stock. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/30/19 11:18 p.m.

And, yes, I had my period-correct Vans ready and everything. 

So now we wait. And clean up the yard. And get the next issue finished before the lights go out....

aw614
aw614 Reader
8/30/19 11:52 p.m.

How narrow are the stock wheels? The azenis look pinched, 14in? 

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