Sunoco Fuels
Sunoco Fuels
9/30/24 12:58 p.m.

Why can some high-compression engines get away with unleaded fuel while others can’t? It can come down to that engine’s technology, often centering on engine management and materials.

First, what describes a high-compression engine? For the sake of argument, let’s use a 12:1 compression ratio as the line in the sand–of course, that’s more of a guideline than a rule.  …

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Andy Hollis
Andy Hollis
9/30/24 1:52 p.m.

Surprised no mention of dynamic compression vs static.  The former is what matters, not the latter.

Big cams with more overlap will reduce the dynamic compression, and therefore the octane needs.

I've experienced this personally during my Honda K series journey.  Just upping the compression ratio from stock to 12.5:1 caused some knock issues at MBT ignition settings with stock cams...especially on warmer days. 

Same static compression ratio but with some bigger cams had no such issues...and also made more power.  Win-win.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/30/24 2:05 p.m.

In reply to Andy Hollis :

Kind of the opposite... big cams with high overlap will INcrease dynamic compression, compared to the same duration with low overlap.  Intake valve closing does a lot of the determination of compression, and closing up the lobe centers to increase the overlap will make the intake valve close sooner.

 

That's generally why higher overlap gets you more mid range torque, all other things considered.

Ranger50
Ranger50 MegaDork
9/30/24 3:59 p.m.

I'm sure my 12:1 DI/PI coyote can work on 87... but always ran it on 93 because they ain't  cheap to fix and now on corn.... I like the idea of 10:1 30+psi boosted on E... and on a drive can just program the gates to be open with the ECU or just not turn on the co2.

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