Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
3/22/23 4:11 p.m.
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What do you get when you cross a late ‘70s Chevy Malibu with a Toyota 2JZ inline-six engine? Stan Dorsey’s entry into the $2000 Challenge, apparently.

Like many projects, this Malibu is special to Stan, as it originally served as his first car, transporting him throughout his high school and college careers. In total, Stan added roughly 100,000 miles to …

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frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
3/23/23 8:40 a.m.

In reply to Colin Wood :

Same power for massively less money using the trailblazer/Envoy  Atlas engine.  (4.2 liter) 

  Our own     Calvin Nelson. Made 824 hp on a stock unopened junkyard engine with 175,000 miles on it.   Just a pair of reground cams and E85 fuel. 
 

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
3/23/23 8:44 a.m.

There are 2Jz from the Lexus that can be had very cheaply from a junkyard without paying Supra tax. 

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/23 10:04 a.m.

And significantly smaller, too, which feels weird to say about the 2JZ.

The Atlas is a behemoth!

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
3/23/23 12:25 p.m.

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3/23/23 12:28 p.m.

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Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/23 12:59 p.m.

In reply to frenchyd :

I have not measured one but from a guesstimate, the bore spacing and deck height are similar to that of contemporary mid sized four cylinders.  So bore spacing in the 90-94mm range and deck height in the 220-230mm range.

The crankshaft is a work of art.

 

Edit: bore spacing 92mm, cannot find accurate deck height measurement but 86mm stroke + 142mm rod length + 38mm compression height = 266mm deck height, which is amazingly tall for a 3 liter.

For reference an Atlas has 103mm bore spacing and a 232mm deck height, which is also kind of shocking.  The engine height must all be in the cylinder head smiley

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
3/23/23 1:54 p.m.

Also, considering the 2JZ has well known and guaranteed formulas to get them to 500-2000hp without any experimenting. And swap kits to keep fabrication and time down. While other engines might be just as stout while being cheaper. Venturing into the unknown can be time consuming and time cost a lot of money.

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand UberDork
3/23/23 2:30 p.m.

Can we just ban this clown already

MotorsportsGordon
MotorsportsGordon Dork
3/23/23 3:13 p.m.

There is no argument that you can  get huge amounts of power out of a 2jz and they aren't exactly a rare engine having had non turbo versions fitted in Darius cars like Lexus etc. basically the Japanese so motor. Being a g body Id also consider doing a Buick v6 turbo. They also produced a 4.1 bored out version of the  3.8 which is popular with hot rodders to turbo.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/23 3:25 p.m.

In reply to MotorsportsGordon :

The 4.1 block is quite a bit weaker than the '109 block used in the turbo 3.8s as well as the last few years of 231 production.  The '109 block is generally good to about 900hp or so before it will split up the middle, and you can do this with stock displacement and heads.  It's more fun with better heads and less boost, mind you, but in a turbo engine it is sensible to trade a little displacement for a lotta strength.

(looks at the 2.4l engine swapped into his once 2.5l Volvo)

 

I have played with a 4.3l turbo Buick but the only Buick parts were dimensions smiley  Seriously thick casting aluminum block with the two extra rows of head bolts like the Stage II engine, appropriate heads, etc. 

The craziest thing was that the compression was bumped UP to 10:1.  There was no noticable lag on the street, and at the dragstrip it was a ridiculous weapon.  Owner was shooting for high 9s and he found 8s instead.

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
3/24/23 9:13 a.m.

In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :

Thanks Pete. So roughly 208 mm longer than a 2000cc 4 cylinder.     That will also help in what will fit in what sort of question. 
  I do know that in order to fit hydraulic lifters into an Atlas engine design considerations  had to have been done made.  
    

tb
tb Dork
3/24/23 9:26 a.m.

Dead sexy vehicle, pure want. Is there a passenger seat, cause I'd ride shotgun in that any day...

 

Sometimes people with excellent automotive skills also have such impeccable and unimpeachably solid good taste that it just makes me smile.

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3/24/23 9:38 a.m.

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ProDarwin
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3/24/23 9:50 a.m.

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yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
3/24/23 11:29 a.m.

In reply to frenchyd :

I'm not going to go back and forth with you beyond this post.

Following the formula can make you a winner; being an innovator will not guarantee you victory but sometimes you'll find victory in it. And a lot of people don't care to be innovators and just want to drive their car or have fun with it. This is why the LS and 2JZ have been the most prolific swaps in the past 25 years. Furthermore, your constant reference to what the Nelson's accomplish is unnecessary in this thread and most of the threads that you've posted in. We know what they've accomplished and while great it doesn't make the 2jz and other inline 6 engines any less viable. Just like your constant and overemphasis on your past success with the Jaguar v12 does not make other V engines unviable options.  The fun and joy is all in whoever car it belongs to deems it to be. So, yes following the crowd is indeed a good thing and clear path to success. Being innovative could possibly be the same as well. Finally, what sometimes isn't fun or joyful is you spamming the same anecdotal information on every post that you can find a slither of relevance in. 

That said, is there a build thread on this 2jz Malibu?

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/24/23 6:53 p.m.

In reply to yupididit :

Following the formula is why circle track is full of small block Chevys with chassis based on one GM frame or another.  To the point that you can buy new A body frame horns that look just like the crappy stampings GM was putting out '73-77 smiley

Innovative? No.  Best possible? No. Known factor so the driver can focus on driving and the rest of the team can focus on known tuning factors instead of spending half the time just reinventing the wheel? YES.

gumby
gumby GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/24/23 11:19 p.m.
yupididit said:

That said, is there a build thread on this 2jz Malibu?

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-projects-and-project-cars/79-malibu-2014-challenge/83827/page1/

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/27/23 2:56 p.m.

Nice. I drove my parents’ ’78 Malibu Classic in high school: 305 and all the blue vinyl you could eat. 

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) UltimaDork
3/27/23 3:34 p.m.

My inner 8th grader wants to dog pile on the frenchman but I know there's no purpose in it.  I don't understand the "enthusiasm" he has for a number of topics, none of which seem to interest anyone else to the same degree, but I guess we all have to have our little things to stay excited about.

Would be cool to see this car at the Challenge this year.

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
3/27/23 7:00 p.m.

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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/28/23 10:26 a.m.
yupididit said:

In reply to frenchyd :

I'm not going to go back and forth with you beyond this post.

Following the formula can make you a winner; being an innovator will not guarantee you victory but sometimes you'll find victory in it. And a lot of people don't care to be innovators and just want to drive their car or have fun with it. This is why the LS and 2JZ have been the most prolific swaps in the past 25 years. Furthermore, your constant reference to what the Nelson's accomplish is unnecessary in this thread and most of the threads that you've posted in. We know what they've accomplished and while great it doesn't make the 2jz and other inline 6 engines any less viable. Just like your constant and overemphasis on your past success with the Jaguar v12 does not make other V engines unviable options.  The fun and joy is all in whoever car it belongs to deems it to be. So, yes following the crowd is indeed a good thing and clear path to success. Being innovative could possibly be the same as well. Finally, what sometimes isn't fun or joyful is you spamming the same anecdotal information on every post that you can find a slither of relevance in. 

That said, is there a build thread on this 2jz Malibu?

Hear, hear. If someone’s having fun building this and a bunch of people are having fun following along, then I think we have a winning formula. 

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