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1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
5/26/20 9:49 a.m.

Trying to put together a decent gaming rig for son #2.  He's currently limping along on an old AMD A-series processor with a recently added GTX1050 video card.  I'm hearing some griping, so I figure it's time to get him something more capable.  I already have the Ryzen 5 CPU, an appropriate motherboard, RAM, and hard drive.

The problem of course, is what graphics card?  Trying to keep it under $500..  Prefer to be around $300, honestly, but I don't think I can do that without crippling his system.  I've consulted PCpartpicker, and they seem to like the old GTX1660Ti for low-end systems, the Radeon RX5700XT for the lower-mid level, and the new RTX 2070/2080 for the high end.

I've heard the Radeon cards run hot and suck a lot of power.  Not sure I can bring myself to spring for the RTX.

Thoughts?

TIA!

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
5/26/20 2:39 p.m.

I'm considering building the Ryzen 5 system, and sticking the old 2GB GeForce GTX1050 in it, hoping that will buy some time to give the RTX cards a chance to slide down a little in price.

Anybody?

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
5/26/20 2:47 p.m.

The best thing to do would be look at the requirements for the games he wants to play, then do research on what real world numbers people are getting using different systems. 

N Sperlo
N Sperlo MegaDork
5/26/20 3:10 p.m.

In my experience GeForce tends to run just as hot as Radeon. I wouldn't concern myself with that. Just shut it down when not in use.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
5/26/20 3:11 p.m.

Get the best one you can afford so it carries forward to the next system. I would also hold off on purchasing anything now as the new cards are due out this fall and this will drive down the prices. 
 

There is a 2060 may be called the 2060KO? It uses a de tuned chip from a 2080ti. While the gaming performance is in line with the 2060 super its performance in things like Autocad and blender are close to that of the 2080ti. I think I saw it was with in 10 percent while being 1/4 the cost.  If had to build a PC I would look at one of these. 

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
5/26/20 3:16 p.m.

2060 KO.

This is the ultra and at under $300 this card has me really interested. 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
5/26/20 3:24 p.m.

Hmm.  Yeah, I had heard that now was not a good time to be in the market for a video card.  I wonder how hard a bottleneck the old card will be in the new system.  If I could buy 6 months with it....

Found this comparo.  Seems to favor the AMD card at the $400 price point, but does reference the higher power consumption.

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-super

bigdaddylee82
bigdaddylee82 UltraDork
5/26/20 3:26 p.m.

There are a lot of GTX 1080s on eBay for around $350.

red_stapler
red_stapler SuperDork
5/26/20 3:29 p.m.
1988RedT2 said:

I've heard the Radeon cards run hot and suck a lot of power.

It varies depending on the GPU and card.  The current series are pretty good:

Performance per Watt FPS 1920x1080

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
5/26/20 3:30 p.m.
z31maniac said:

The best thing to do would be look at the requirements for the games he wants to play, then do research on what real world numbers people are getting using different systems. 

That sounds reasonable, but a snapshot of his needs today would not likely reflect his needs in a month.  Kids are fickle.  He plays what his friends are playing.

Did I say "needs?"  Obviously, "desires."

I just want a solid card that will remain viable for a couple years at least. 

red_stapler
red_stapler SuperDork
5/26/20 3:30 p.m.

Here's another useful chart:

Performance per Dollar FPS 1920x1080

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
5/26/20 3:35 p.m.
bigdaddylee82 said:

There are a lot of GTX 1080s on eBay for around $350.

Huh.  I'm confused.  I thought the GTX series topped out with the 1660 Ti?  Hard to make sense of the model numbers... blush

red_stapler
red_stapler SuperDork
5/26/20 3:43 p.m.
1988RedT2 said:
bigdaddylee82 said:

There are a lot of GTX 1080s on eBay for around $350.

Huh.  I'm confused.  I thought the GTX series topped out with the 1660 Ti?  Hard to make sense of the model numbers... blush

nVidia's marketing is a bit confusing right now as the low end cards are carried over from the previous generation.

bigdaddylee82
bigdaddylee82 UltraDork
5/26/20 3:49 p.m.
1988RedT2 said:
bigdaddylee82 said:

There are a lot of GTX 1080s on eBay for around $350.

Huh.  I'm confused.  I thought the GTX series topped out with the 1660 Ti?  Hard to make sense of the model numbers... blush

That generation GTX went to 1080 TI, if you wanted more GPU than that your next option was the Titan series.

There are several 1070 TIs on eBay for around $300.

 

If he's gaming at 1080p on a <24" monitor, that 1660 TI you've got will probably be sufficient with the Ryzen upgrade.  Those AMD A series CPU/APUs make better hot plates than processors.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
5/26/20 4:27 p.m.

In reply to bigdaddylee82 :

I think his monitor is 24" and 1080p is fine.

Unfortunately, the card I have is a GTX1050, not the 1660ti. 

Either way, I'll be buying a video card sooner or later. laugh

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
5/26/20 4:56 p.m.

For now I would stay away from AMD. There drivers can be sketchy and they are power hungry and run hot. 
 

 

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
5/26/20 5:09 p.m.

A 1070ti is a great card. My son has one and I have inquired as to its performance and he repeatedly tells me that he has no issues with it. He even runs the VR headset off it and again no issue. If you can get that for under $400 that is a really good option. 
 

I also have one in one of my workstations at the office and it is a darn good card for rendering most things we toss at it. It is running with a 8086 at over 5hgz and 16gig of ram. For GPU intensive things it is darn good.  I am comparing this to a Titan card in my workstation running a 3950 with 128 GB ram. The 1070 station can hold its own with GPU stuff compared to the Titan. For multi core stuff it looses bad but that is the cpu not the GPU falling behind. 

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
5/26/20 5:45 p.m.

I always like to check Toms Hardware.  Here is their list of best gaming cards, for various price ranges:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html

The site in general has some good info and reviews.

 

GIRTHQUAKE
GIRTHQUAKE Dork
5/26/20 5:52 p.m.

 For the Ryzen 5, it's hard to go wrong with the B450 series here which is known to have a combo of great parts at a low price. Mine's a B450 Mortar I got at ~$60 on special from r/buildapcsales and it even has twin M.2 drives.

You have a TON of options for videocards, and the "real" limit is how much you want to spend and how comfortable you are with a used card. Cryptominers are jumping ship left and right so the last generation of GeForce 1070 and 1080 cards are super cheap, and I've also locally seen AMD Radeon 570/580s used in miner racks as well- if you know how to flash BIOS or find good instructions on how to do it, it's definitely worth a look as they are still very competitive.

Intel and nVidia's naming conventions really suck. Basically, your son has a 1050 which is from the same "Generation" as the 1060, 1070, 1070, 1080 and the ti variants. The recent creation of the Tensor core means new cards are capable of ray tracing, a method that basically makes water look perfect in games and light preform to physics. It's big E36 M3, but in reality there's only a handful of games that support it let alone a machine that can process it (Linus Tech Tips has a minecraft server running ray tracing with a dedicated, water cooled system costing over $3,000; he only gets around 60FPS when he runs 1080p) so it's led to a big problem with nobody seeing any reason to buy $500-$800 cards when used miner cards did nearly the same thing for less than half the cost. Anyway, those are the 20- series, so the 2060, 2070 and 2080. Finally, you have more basic dies and systems built upon the aforementioned 10- series but with the tensor cores popped into them, making for cheap cards that can do more things over stock. Those are the 16- series, and YES it's confusing. It includes the 1650, 1660, and 1660ti.

As for AMD, it's a little easier with the RX line and Vega (and the Radeon VII but that thing is... weird, like the video card equivalent of a Tucker). Vega is the near-equivalent to the 10- series with a 56 going against the 1070s and the 64 against the 1080 (The 1080ti has no competition outside of the new 2080) while the RX lineup competes with the lower 1050/1060 and below. AMD/Radeon tend to like power and make up for lacking brute processor strength by loading up on RAM and options- AMD is a turbo'ed engine while nVIDIA just shouts NO REPLACEMENT instead, essentially.

Since you have a 5-series Ryzen CPU you're baseline is likely around the RX570/580 and 1060 6GB cards which are some of the best bang-for your buck cards out there. If you're wanting new, it's hard to go wrong with the 1660ti. Radeon 5700 might be overkill, you'll have to post what processor you have. Also, make sure your power supply is up to this upgrade.

dean1484 said:

For now I would stay away from AMD. There drivers can be sketchy and they are power hungry and run hot.

Maybe a few years ago. The sketchiest thing they've put out was the Radeon VII and that was an odd one-off that's already out of production- my Vega64 is a blower style that's never given me problems, even during the promotion with DMC5 that I got it from.

Honsch
Honsch New Reader
5/26/20 5:54 p.m.

17 years programming games taught me to despise nVidia.

Earlier this year I upgraded to an RX5700, it seemed like the best bang for the buck and it's worked very well so far.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
5/26/20 5:55 p.m.
aircooled said:

I always like to check Toms Hardware.  Here is their list of best gaming cards, for various price ranges:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html

The site in general has some good info and reviews.

 

I did not realize that the 2070super had come down so much in price.  At $499 that is a card that will Handel 1080p with out braking a sweat and 1440 at some very high frame rates with out issue for a long time. And you get ray tracing (that seems to be getting better).  Most "gamers" don't game at 4K due to the FPS hit even with a 2080TI so that 2070Super would be a fantastic card. 

The 2060KO ultra is another $100 less and would match up better with the current system you are going to build but the 2070super should scale up to the next computer in a couple years.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
5/26/20 6:07 p.m.

Thanks for all the responses, guys!  The one thing I know for sure is that I knew even less about video card options than I thought I did.

The 2060 KO Ultra is at a price point I could swing.  Is it more likely to stay "relevant" longer than say the 1660 TI?

red_stapler
red_stapler SuperDork
5/26/20 6:25 p.m.
1988RedT2 said:

The 2060 KO Ultra is at a price point I could swing.  Is it more likely to stay "relevant" longer than say the 1660 TI?

Yeah, it's faster than a 1070Ti and offers more performance per dollar compared to the 1660 Ti.

GIRTHQUAKE
GIRTHQUAKE Dork
5/27/20 10:22 a.m.

Just remember to post what Ryzen 5 CPU you have- if you have a Ryzen 5 1400 (for instance) it won't have the stock speed to take advantage of the 2060 KO Ultra without an overclock.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltimaDork
5/27/20 10:52 a.m.

Just to be clear you dont just "get" ray tracing for free, it still costs performance.  

IMO, ray tracing doesn't make sense except at almost the highest level.  The 2060 is a weird spot.  You can still leave ray tracing off and its an excellent card though.

 

FWIW, if the names confuse you, look here:

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

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