yamaha wrote: Also, to berkeley with you even more, anything more than 2 doors + hatch is a berkeleying WAGON.
Only if the hatch approaches a vertical line (say, 75 degrees or more). If it slopes more than that, it's a 5-door.
yamaha wrote: Also, to berkeley with you even more, anything more than 2 doors + hatch is a berkeleying WAGON.
Only if the hatch approaches a vertical line (say, 75 degrees or more). If it slopes more than that, it's a 5-door.
Hatchback, fastback, liftback, wagon, whatever. All more useful than a trunk.
bravenrace wrote:nicksta43 wrote: Okay, then what differentiates these two completely different body types?That's the thing, they aren't completely different. They are actually quite similar. For the most part, only the angle of the hatch differentiates them as far as body style.
Wrong, all of the examples of coupes have sheet metal extending out past where the window stops horizontally.
nicksta43 wrote:bravenrace wrote:Really!?!?! Not even close to being similar.nicksta43 wrote: Okay, then what differentiates these two completely different body types?That's the thing, they aren't completely different. They are actually quite similar. For the most part, only the angle of the hatch differentiates them as far as body style.
So...In your opinion...Other than the slope of the hatch or rear opening, what is so vastly different between the cars in you call hatchbacks, and the car you incorrectly call coupes? I'm assuming since the focus is on the rear opening, characteristics like front or rear wheel drive, engine type, and number of doors is irrelevant. So what is so vastly different between the two in your distorted viewpoint?
I call them liftbacks, definitely not hatchbacks.
nicksta43 wrote:bravenrace wrote:Wrong, all of the examples of coupes have sheet metal extending out past where the window stops horizontally.nicksta43 wrote: Okay, then what differentiates these two completely different body types?That's the thing, they aren't completely different. They are actually quite similar. For the most part, only the angle of the hatch differentiates them as far as body style.
So do many of the hatchbacks. I really don't see how that matters anyway. The opening is still a hatch type opening. The ratio of window to sheetmetal is not the determining factor.
The roofline and the area after the rear glass stops. How are they not Coupes? Every registration for every third gen T/A I've owned has said 2dr. coupe on it.
In reply to nicksta43:
The only thing I really disagree with is many of the cars you call coupes. A coupe has a trunk, not a hatch or anything resembling a hatch. Those are liftbacks, not coupes. And like I said earlier, the only difference, as it relates to this discussion, between the hatchbacks and liftbacks is the angle of the hatch...But it's still a hatch...
bravenrace wrote:nicksta43 wrote:So do many of the hatchbacks.bravenrace wrote:Wrong, all of the examples of coupes have sheet metal extending out past where the window stops horizontally.nicksta43 wrote: Okay, then what differentiates these two completely different body types?That's the thing, they aren't completely different. They are actually quite similar. For the most part, only the angle of the hatch differentiates them as far as body style.
Um, no not really. Look at all of those cars in profile and tell me what the first group has in common with the second. I mean just trace an outline around the body, in black and white. The two groups are as different as pickup trucks and vans.
I don't discriminate based on how the trunk opens. Car or the opposite sex.
nicksta43 wrote:dculberson wrote: So you get cheesed off at someone calling a not-hatchback a hatchback but in the process call a bunch of not-coupes coupes? Sounds like you need to rail against yourself in another post.How is it not a coupe????
Coupe has a trunk, not a hatch / lift back.
In reply to dculberson: Definitions and descriptions
The International Standard ISO 3833-1977 defines a coupé as having a closed body, usually with limited rear volume, a fixed roof of which a portion may be openable, at least two seats in at least one row, two side doors and possibly a rear opening, and at least two side windows.[8]
For use in styling, the term coupe refers to a "close-coupled" automobile in that the "couple distance" is the dimension "between the driver's hip joint when seated (which stylists call the "H-point") and the rear axle."[9] Therefore, a "close-coupled car is "one where the front seats are relatively close to the rear wheels, which naturally leaves little or no space for rear-seat passengers."[9]
I have found no reference for a coupe having to have a trunk lid?
Merriam-Webster made no mention of it and Neither did Wiki.
If the back window opens like a hatch, it's a hatchback.
In reply to MadScientistMatt:
I know for a fact you are a very smart person. I just don't know how you can be so wrong.
nicksta43 wrote:bravenrace wrote:Really!?!?! Not even close to being similar.nicksta43 wrote: Okay, then what differentiates these two completely different body types?That's the thing, they aren't completely different. They are actually quite similar. For the most part, only the angle of the hatch differentiates them as far as body style.
Not even close? The Civic and the Integra/RSX are the same berking cars.
Toyota called the 'fastback' Celica a Liftback.
Looks like Nick's been hitting the sauce early today... 
I'm with Nicksta on this one. If you go tell you're co-worker you drive a hatchback, they ain't picturing an F-body.
Ian F wrote:nicksta43 wrote:Not even close? The Civic and the Integra/RSX are the same berking cars. Toyota called the 'fastback' Celica a Liftback. Looks like Nick's been hitting the sauce early today...bravenrace wrote:Really!?!?! Not even close to being similar.nicksta43 wrote: Okay, then what differentiates these two completely different body types?That's the thing, they aren't completely different. They are actually quite similar. For the most part, only the angle of the hatch differentiates them as far as body style.
Oh yeah, exact same cars...except for the body style 
nicksta43 wrote: Oh yeah, exact same cars...except for the body style
Meh... details...
Oddly enough, when I owned a '91 Integra, it was neither a hatchback, liftback or a coupe... it was simply "a car"... Life was so simple back then...
bravenrace wrote: In reply to nicksta43: The only thing I really disagree with is many of the cars you call coupes. A coupe has a trunk, not a hatch or anything resembling a hatch. Those are liftbacks, not coupes. And like I said earlier, the only difference, as it relates to this discussion, between the hatchbacks and liftbacks is the angle of the hatch...But it's still a hatch...
not according to Toyota.......
The trunk equipped car is the hardtop, the coupe has a full back hatch...
and as far as liftbacks... meh.....
Hatchback
It seriously boggles my mind how anyone can look at those examples and come to the conclusion that both groups are the exact same body type.
nicksta43 wrote: It seriously boggles my mind how anyone can look at those examples and come to the conclusion that both groups are the exact same body type.
They're not the exact same body style, but they're all hatchbacks.
nicksta43 wrote: In reply to MadScientistMatt: I know for a fact you are a very smart person. I just don't know how you can be so wrong.
he's not … it the rear window lifts when you open the "trunk" it's a hatch …. I've owned several Civic hatchbacks and currently own an Integra hatchback … no difference other than sleekness of the body … but that can also be said to be the only difference between the '76 Civic I had and the '86 Civic I had and the '99 Civic I had … all hatchbacks … but much different in styling
but you just go ahead and call them what you want … it really doesn't matter to the rest of us that your opinion is wrong 
Hey Nick, what's this then:
(wow... looking at that makes me think I am about to see some sort of scheisse video)
In reply to aircooled:
A sedan
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