stroker said:I wish you guys would stop talking about guns you've just acquired--I saw a YouTube video on these inexpensive Turkish 1911A1's for $400 and it's the last thing I need but I'm really jonesing for one.
You Mean like this? 
Not my actual VP9 but exactly what I got from Santa (with the optic cut). Although I can not tell if it has the combat triduum sites that mine has.
stroker said:I wish you guys would stop talking about guns you've just acquired--I saw a YouTube video on these inexpensive Turkish 1911A1's for $400 and it's the last thing I need but I'm really jonesing for one.
EVERYONE needs a 1911 in their lives.
EDIT: Think of it like this.... compared to the plastic fantastic an all metal beauty like a 1911 is like buying a piece of art. So you're not buying a gun, you're buying classic art. Made in Turkey.
bobzilla said:EDIT: Think of it like this.... compared to the plastic fantastic an all metal beauty like a 1911 is like buying a piece of art.
Which is why you should own a CZ 75 or a Beretta 92.
Though I am miffed I missed out on the CMP 1911 sale. I wanted to own a piece of history.
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) said:bobzilla said:EDIT: Think of it like this.... compared to the plastic fantastic an all metal beauty like a 1911 is like buying a piece of art.
Which is why you should own a CZ 75 or a Beretta 92.
Though I am miffed I missed out on the CMP 1911 sale. I wanted to own a piece of history.
I have come to the conclusion that I have no need for a full size pistol. As a result, despite having owned some very nice examples, I no longer own a full sized pistol. I know that many people will think my reasoning is lacking, but all of my firearms that are "keepers" have "reasons." Conversely, I have some that the "reason" is "loaner," and/or "good enough to use but still let TSA lose," but none of those are "keepers". If I find something more suitable. For some reason I have several AR's though only a couple are complete, and I haven't shot them yet. I think I just like to buy parts and put them together, and AR's are easy for that.
In reply to matthewmcl :
ARs are Lego's for big kids.
dean1484 said:In reply to matthewmcl :
ARs are Lego's for big kids.
Indeed, though I also have an A5 project that I will take pics of and eventually post (I hope).
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) said:bobzilla said:EDIT: Think of it like this.... compared to the plastic fantastic an all metal beauty like a 1911 is like buying a piece of art.
Which is why you should own a CZ 75 or a Beretta 92.
Though I am miffed I missed out on the CMP 1911 sale. I wanted to own a piece of history.
Also a Hi Power
Rodan said:Having owned several guns with comps/ports, I'm not a fan of them on defensive handguns. The result of firing one from a retention/compromised/entangled position could vary from extremely unpleasant to serious injury. Eye protection is a must when shooting ported guns, and most folks don't wear protective glasses while going about their daily business.
Unless it's woods defense, I agree.
For a woods defense gun in big magnums I love porting
Regarding 1911's I get why people like them, but they aren't a gun I like to shoot nor want to own. Trigger is best thing about them, but most everything else is not to my preference. Don't like the deep & skinny grip configuration, the taller bore axis compared to most any other pistol, and the extra steps needed to field strip. Also much prefer polymer lower pistols to all steel pistols for various reasons.
I had CZ's version of a 1911... the 97B. Was nice with the lower bore axis but the trigger was very much what I don't like about the CZ's (based on it and the SP-01 Phantom, both were absolutely let down by their triggers). If trigger was changed it would have been a very nice pistol to shoot.
The adjustable trigger and increased rated reset spring installed on the Xten has made it one of my favorite pistol triggers to pull ... better than the HK USP Expert match trigger in SA pull... and the Xten is a striker fired gun. Nice crisp pull and reset with light enough pull weight. And how it handles recoil of the 10mm round is really nice as well, feels more like shooting a 9mm pistol than the typical 10mm pistol.
Sorry page 50 here ..... any old school bolt action large caliber hunting rifles ??? what page do i go back to cuz I'm thinkin what's his knuckles from UTAH (no offense...senior moment ok?) that survived the M'stang crash has some smack...
You are thinking of barefootskater5000. I believe his big bore is currently a flintlock
What are you thinking of? My biggest bore is a .35 Whelen Ackley Improved. It was to be my Alaska rifle, which I never did find out the Latin equivalent of "To eat and to not be eaten" for engraving on the side.
In reply to 759NRNG :
That'd be me. I don't know if I'd say large caliber, but I ended up with an AR308. Lately though all my range time has been with the .50 flintlock.
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) said:bobzilla said:EDIT: Think of it like this.... compared to the plastic fantastic an all metal beauty like a 1911 is like buying a piece of art.
Which is why you should own a CZ 75 or a Beretta 92.
Though I am miffed I missed out on the CMP 1911 sale. I wanted to own a piece of history.
Sorry, those aren't art. I can agree on a hi-power though but I'm a bit of a JMB whore so YMMV.
EDIT: Let me explain.... anything designed less than 40 years ago is just not as pretty and we all know art appreciates with age. While the 92 and 75 are both decent pistols they are still both chambered in the incorrect caliber.
Like cars, we tend to gravitate to the designs that captured our fancy at a certain age.
I can certainly appreciate the utility and functional excellence of modern designs, but it's harder to see 'beauty' in the newer stuff. When it comes to 'art' in my guns, I fall back to the old school...
In reply to Rodan :
Eventually I want to buy a pair of 38s in polished nickel/MOP. Also I want a lever gun and revolver both in 45LC. For reasons.
barefootcyborg5000 said:In reply to Rodan :
Also I want a lever gun and revolver both in 45LC. For reasons.
Perfectly valid reasons, btw... :)
matthewmcl said:I have come to the conclusion that I have no need for a full size pistol. As a result, despite having owned some very nice examples, I no longer own a full sized pistol. I know that many people will think my reasoning is lacking, but all of my firearms that are "keepers" have "reasons." Conversely, I have some that the "reason" is "loaner," and/or "good enough to use but still let TSA lose," but none of those are "keepers". If I find something more suitable. For some reason I have several AR's though only a couple are complete, and I haven't shot them yet. I think I just like to buy parts and put them together, and AR's are easy for that.
I don't actually own a full size at the moment, either. The CZ 75 B I have is considered compact, but it is all metal.
Full size and compact metal handguns are good to let grown ups who have never fired handguns before try them out without having recoil be an issue. I wouldn't hand my polymer sub-compact to a first time shooter.
I've had one of those new Springfield Armory Hi-Powers on backorder for more than a year now... Sure would be nice if they'd actually ship some inventory some time.
bobzilla said:Sorry, those aren't art. I can agree on a hi-power though but I'm a bit of a JMB whore so YMMV.
EDIT: Let me explain.... anything designed less than 40 years ago is just not as pretty and we all know art appreciates with age. While the 92 and 75 are both decent pistols they are still both chambered in the incorrect caliber.
I'd argue you're confusing art with history. Don't get me wrong- I appreciate 1911s for their craftsmanship and their history. If you own a 1911 that saw service, you're the caretaker of a piece of history.
The only practical use I'd have for one is for administering the coup de grâce on a downed deer from close range, and a 9mm works just fine for that, too.
Also, the CZ was introduced into service 47 years ago, and the Beretta started production 46 years ago, both should qualify under your terms.
Hell, even the Glock is 41 years old at this point... LOL.
I think the HK USP series is approaching 35 years at this point. I do get what you are saying. I can appreciate the "art" side of things. there are some shotguns out there that are just beautiful pieces of art that just happen to be a shotgun.
I am much more of an engineering type of person. I appreciate the engineering that goes into many firearms and what it was trying to accomplish. Take the M1 Garand or the M14. Those were evolutionary in their time. Are they "art" ? I don't know. .. . Art is subjective. Some see a splash of paint on a wall while others see butterflies. Engineering on the other hand is much easier to quantify and compare. My point is when we start comparing firearms based on art everyone is correct and everyone is also wrong as it is subjective and not quantifiable.
In reply to dean1484 :
when it comes to firearms in general, everyone IS correct. What works for You may not work for someone else. I was being tongue in cheek, but the 1911 is pretty, it works and its worked for over a century. None of mine are more than 10-15 years old. My Remington Model 11 on the other hand is 114 years old.... same designer. Still works.
In reply to Rodan :
When Ever I see equipment like that the first thing I think of is John Wayne. Don't know why. I think it is because I watched his movies when I was a kid.
Rodan said:Like cars, we tend to gravitate to the designs that captured our fancy at a certain age.
I can certainly appreciate the utility and functional excellence of modern designs, but it's harder to see 'beauty' in the newer stuff. When it comes to 'art' in my guns, I fall back to the old school...
Cimarron?
In reply to Antihero :
Yup.
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