"Can you raise my tire pressure? Obama told me too!"

I am going to go ahead and call Flounder on this thread right here.

Fried Flounder with Freedom Fries.

Try saying that three times fast after three beers.

Incidentally, in Texas (especially Harris County) the shot to the kneecap to protect ones property would likely be no-billed by a grand jury. Google "Joe Horn."

Even if Texans' right to use deadly force wasn't somewhat expansive (it can be used to protect property in certain circumstances), the crime would most likely be charged as aggravated assault. It's easier to prove the complete crime (the aggravated assault) rather than the inchoate crime (the attempted murder).

In any case, I'm pretty sure both carry the same punishment in Texas.

billy3esq wrote: Incidentally, in Texas (especially Harris County) the shot to the kneecap to protect ones property would likely be no-billed by a grand jury. Google "Joe Horn." Even if Texans' right to use deadly force wasn't somewhat expansive (it can be used to protect property in certain circumstances), the crime would most likely be charged as aggravated assault. It's easier to prove the complete crime (the aggravated assault) rather than the inchoate crime (the attempted murder). In any case, I'm pretty sure both carry the same punishment in Texas.

enlightening as ever

Chris_V wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: Obama isn't any kind of messiah, but McCain's economic advisor was Phil Graham, the guy who wrote the regulations that created the Enron fiasco and supported legislation to allow investment banks to get into the mortgage business. He is the greater evil.

while McCain and Bush tried to get regulation in place to make sure it woudn't happen after Clinton's policies created the "low income housing market" and created regulations to force banks loaned to bad risks.

Regarding the Federal Housing and Reform Act of 2005, the regulation you are talking about, According to factcheck.org.....

But saying that Democrats killed the 2005 bill "while Mr. Obama was notably silent" oversimplifies things considerably. The bill made it out of committee in the Senate but was never brought up for consideration. At that time, Republicans had a majority in the Senate and controlled the agenda. Democrats never got the chance to vote against it or to mount a filibuster to block it.

By the time McCain signed on to the legislation, it was too late to prevent the crisis anyway. McCain added his name on May 25, 2006, when the housing bubble had already nearly peaked. Standard & Poor's Case-Schiller Home Price Index, which measures residential housing prices in 20 metropolitan regions and then constructs a composite index for the entire United States, shows that housing prices began falling in July 2006, barely two months later.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-1461

First of all, Bush isn't in the Senate. He didn't draft this bill, nor did he try to 'get it in place', and McCain signed on to the bill after it was drafted, he didn't help draft it or put it in place. It was actually introduced by Chuck Hagel, who, although he is a Republican, is hardly a fan of the Bush Administration. The Republicans who controlled the Senate at that time did not even bring the bill up for consideration. It seems that people on both sides of the aisle had reason not to see this one pass.

The American Enterprise Institute, hardly a liberal organization, considered this bill co-sponsored by McCain to be seriously flawed.

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.22705/pub_detail.asp

ignorant wrote:

AngryCorvair wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote:

poopshovel wrote:

I would love to see somebody wearing an Obama mask getting shot in the knee while trying to swipe that sign. That video would be a hit on you tube.

fixed. Oh, did I forget the emoticon?

Anybody who shoots somebody else over a political sign for any political candidate or party deserves to go to prison for attempted murder, and probably will. No emoticon.

poop specifically said "shot in the knee". that's not attempted murder. knees don't bleed much, and they don't have any vital organs in them.

I think it's more of a question as to the whether it was premeditated or has the intent to kill. If it was proved that he did not intend to kill him.. it would be assault with a deadly weapon most likely.. For example. If he picked up the gun said.. I'm going to kill you and then shot(but hit in knee) it would be attempted murder. I'm not a lawyer, just took a few basic law classes...

If the guy shot somebody and killed him, then turned around and said he intended to shoot him in the knee and not kill him, it would be pretty hard to prove intent. On the other hand, If they guy noticed his previous sign stolen the night before and said, "Goddamn it, I will KILL the guy who keeps stealing my signs!", and his neighbor actually heard him say that, that would be intent and premeditaton.

Here are a few more links about Phil Graham's invovlement in the housing crisis:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9246.html

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/28/mccain-adviser-phil-gramm-shaped-mccains-economic-policy-while-lobbying-for-foreign-bank/

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/22/14203/6921

billy3esq wrote: Incidentally, in Texas (especially Harris County) the shot to the kneecap to protect ones property would likely be no-billed by a grand jury. Google "Joe Horn." Even if Texans' right to use deadly force wasn't somewhat expansive (it can be used to protect property in certain circumstances), the crime would most likely be charged as aggravated assault. It's easier to prove the complete crime (the aggravated assault) rather than the inchoate crime (the attempted murder). In any case, I'm pretty sure both carry the same punishment in Texas.

wasn't there a case a few years ago about a guy that kept getting his car vandalized by some kids, so he camped out on the roof of his apt with his ar-15 and waited for the kids to show up again, then blasted 3 of them? iirc, that was considered defense of property as well. the politico signs might fall under that same precedent.

Very bad news on the political violence front:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

This is so awful there are conspiracy theories forming in my head.

Jesus christ on a berkeleying stick, people. I only said it would be funny to watch.

Keith wrote:

DirtyBird222 wrote: I didn't mean for this to get into a huge political argument. I just think it's funny that these people are sheeping. I believe Honda knows what they are saying when it comes to the correct tire pressure for their vehicles....more-so than a political a$$clown

I wouldn't say that Toyota always gets it right though. The recommended tire pressure on my Tundra (the original, not-enormous version) is way too low. Run at their suggested tire pressure, and you'll wear the outer edges off your tires in about 15,000 miles. I'm running a whole lot more in my truck and it's very happy with perfect tire wear.

Toyota isn't as anal as Honda. The only car Honda really has a recommended PSI that is low, is on the older CR-Vs where they want it set at 26psi. I usually just put those around 30.

Snowdoggie wrote:

JmfnB wrote: Or a moose goring all four... you know because of global warming!

There has got to be a joke about Sarah Palin, Tom Green and a dead moose here somewhere, but I'm not getting it. It probably wouldn't be clean or politically correct.

That VP you voted for 16 years ago? Al GORE...

Man, talk about an inconvenient joke...

BAAAZZZIIIIIING!!!

GameboyRMH wrote: Very bad news on the political violence front: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/index.html?iref=mpstoryview This is so awful there are conspiracy theories forming in my head.

It happens disturbingly often http://www.theurbangrind.net/?cat=72

"In Manhattan, it’s become quite dangerous to show your support of the McCain/Palin ticket.

On September 15 at about 5:30 p.m., a middle aged woman was assaulted by a bovine male Obama supporter on the corner of Lexington Avenue at 51st Street. Her only “crime” was holding a McCain/Palin sign.

While the Democrat-leaning media continues to scare undecided voters with bedtime stories about some mythical angry McCain supporter whom nobody has seen, here is a real district attorney’s complaint documenting an unprovoked assault by an enraged Democrat against a McCain volunteer in midtown Manhattan: “Defendant grabbed the sign [informant] was holding, broke the wood stick that was attached to it, and then struck informant in informant’s face thereby causing informant to sustain redness, swelling, and bruising to informant’s face and further causing informant to sustain substantial pain.”

{snip}

On a Monday afternoon, September 15, 2008, three McCain volunteers were holding campaign signs and distributing leaflets on a busy corner of 51st Street and Lexington Avenue. As they were peacefully talking to each other, they were approached by a man who, in the words of the victim, provided the impression of “a rather benign, doughy-looking guy — not a person I would have expected to assault me.”

He rushed towards them, grabbed a McCain sign off a volunteer’s hands, and tore it apart. That didn’t seem enough.

This is how the victim describes it:

I said, “What are you doing? You can’t do that!” And he was red in the face screaming, “You people are ridiculous!” And I said, “Yeah, whatever, but you can’t do that.”

So I reached for the sign that he ripped up, and he grabbed another sign, broke it, and ripped it to shreds. And when I said, “You can’t do that,” he took the stick from the sign and started beating me on the head with it. He broke the skin on my head, he scratched my wrist, and almost broke my glasses, and then he left.

I followed him down the stairs to the subway until I could get the police and I said, “You’re not going to get away with it.” And as soon as he saw the police he immediately went calm. He still had the stick in his hand, and you could see the injury on my face, and he admitted it. He was arrested. He actually said, “I don’t know why I did this. It’s just those signs, and this election, it has me so upset.”

There is a video floating around somewhere

This one floundered hard overnight, didn't it?

That's when the alcohol comes out

i couldn't read past this line

Richard said the woman described her alleged attacker as a dark-skinned African-American, 6 feet 4 inches tall with a medium build and short dark hair, wearing dark clothing and shiny shoes.

GameboyRMH wrote: This is so awful there are conspiracy theories forming in my head.

I'll start by asking "was the attacker dyslexic"?

Tim Baxter wrote: This one floundered hard overnight, didn't it?

I would just like to say.. that I am not involved in said floundering.. except when it is grilled or fried and served with lemon.

I had Canadian Salmon last night. With green beans and brown rice.

ignorant wrote:

Tim Baxter wrote: This one floundered hard overnight, didn't it?

I would just like to say.. that I am not involved in said floundering.. except when it is grilled or fried and served with lemon.

You forgot the "stuffed with lobster" part.

Around here, it's the Obama signs that are going missing. I just can't wait for the freakin' election to be over.

Did you know that Canada called an election in September? And 5 weeks later, it was done. That's right, they called it, set the date, campaigned, voted and made all the victory speeches in less than 6 weeks. It didn't take two loooong years, nor were people beating each other over the head with the stumps of broken campaign signs.

No floundering at my place. We had tacos.

D-Day: Hey, quit your blubberin'. When I get through with this baby you won't even recognize it.

Otter: Flounder, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You f*#ked up - you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.

Flounder: [crying] That's easy for you to say! What am I going to tell Fred?

Otter: I'll tell you what. We'll tell Fred you were doing a great job taking care of his car, but you parked it out back last night and in the morning, it was gone. We report it to the police, D-Day takes care of the wreck, the insurance company buys your brother a new car.

Flounder: Will that work?

Otter: Hey, it's gotta work better than the truth.

Bluto: [thrusting six-pack into Flounder's hands] My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

Otter: Better listen to him, Flounder, he's in pre-med.

D-Day [firing up blow-torch] There you go now, just leave everything to me.

Jensenman wrote: No floundering at my place. We had tacos.

(RobotChickenGWBush) Tacos rule! (/RobotChickenGWBush)

JmfnB wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote:

JmfnB wrote: Or a moose goring all four... you know because of global warming!

There has got to be a joke about Sarah Palin, Tom Green and a dead moose here somewhere, but I'm not getting it. It probably wouldn't be clean or politically correct.

That VP you voted for 16 years ago? Al GORE... Man, talk about an inconvenient joke...

That was the punchline to the old joke about Bill Clinton introducing his intern to somthing tall and stiff.