Discuss my irrationality.

+1 to irrational love affairs.

I can build a dozen cars faster and for less money, and yet I would take a 911 over just about any of them.

There is just something about them.

FlightService wrote: +1 to irrational love affairs. I can build a dozen cars faster and for less money, and yet I would take a 911 over just about any of them. There is just something about them.

I think that is the exact opposite of how I feel.

Maroon92 wrote:

Brett_Murphy wrote: In reply to Otto Maddox: Single turbo, better apex seals, remove the emissions, Megasquirt w/ alcohol and the FDs can be reliable and scary fast on pump gas.

Did it look like this? A defunct company called MITCOM used to make these kits called the Chalon kit. Supposed to make it look like a coke snorting 80's car...

you shrunk my pants..

Dunno 'bout the owners, but the only Porsche that turns my crank is a late '70s 911 SC. Maybe a 944 Turbo, but otherwise, meh. Just no interest in any of the later stuff at all...

Had another customer track me down on facebook and send me a message that the 40 year old seat material we sent them was dusty, and that if we expected them to clean it that they would "send us an invoice for their time" billed at 65 dollars an hour.

ON CHRISTMAS EVE.

Douche with a capital D!

I'd hope they DID send me an invoice. I'd film myself burning it and upload it to youtube. Lollerriffic fun times.

This is interesting. I loved my 911, but auto cross my Miata with the local BMWCCA.

I loathe douchey Porsche owners, because it's an additional handicap I have to overcome when I deal with people. But it was the same when I had BMWs.

Cool cars have a reputation and attract enthusiasts. Over competitive Chinese Fathers Dentist was to appear like enthusiast. Buys cool car. Assumes by presenting the correct image he will be afforded the same respect. Doesn't receive it, returns to same behavior.

On paper, for the money, there were maybe 2,3 cars that could do what my 996 could. In practice it was one. But I also got my head handed to me regularly by a $3,000 99 Miata and 1/2 dozen well built Hondas.

But it's not the point. All high end cars have a definitive feel to them made of 100 details that ad up to a whole greater than the sum of the parts. Either you get it or you don't.

But in either case you have no right to be a tool because of your car. Those guys would be like that in a Kia. Don't let them bring you down. It seems like you are letting the 30% of your customer affect you more than the 70% who aren't.

Funny, but for me, one of the things that made Porsches so special, is/was? the fact that the company, like Ferrari, did not / does NOT build anything other than sports cars. Now, Porsche is becoming like MOST car makers....they build silly fast (and in the case of the V6 Cayenne, not so fast) SUVs and sedans. Ironically, for a "sports car manufacturer", the SUVs and I would imagine the sedans outsell the sports cars.

Maroon92 wrote:

FlightService wrote: +1 to irrational love affairs. I can build a dozen cars faster and for less money, and yet I would take a 911 over just about any of them. There is just something about them.

I think that is the exact opposite of how I feel.

so you don't like irrational love affairs?

You can't build any car faster than a Porsche for less money? And you wouldn't take a 911 over anything?

FlightService wrote:

Maroon92 wrote:

FlightService wrote: +1 to irrational love affairs. I can build a dozen cars faster and for less money, and yet I would take a 911 over just about any of them. There is just something about them.

I think that is the exact opposite of how I feel.

so you don't like irrational love affairs? You can't build any car faster than a Porsche for less money? And you wouldn't take a 911 over anything?

I meant that is the opposite of how I feel about 911s.

I love irrational love affairs. I am ENAMORED with the Delta Integrale.

I can build many things faster than a Porsche for much less money, but I would however, take almost ANYTHING over a 911 unless it were equipped with a turbocharger. I would rather have testicular cancer than a squashed beetle with a Porsche crest on the front.

Maroon92 wrote: Had another customer track me down on facebook and send me a message that the 40 year old seat material we sent them was dusty, and that if we expected them to clean it that they would "send us an invoice for their time" billed at 65 dollars an hour. ON CHRISTMAS EVE. Douche with a capital D!

Didn't read that, I see your point of view.

As far as testicular cancer over the squished beetle, that is an interesting use of literary imagary that I don't want to unravel.

Merry Christmas and tell your Porsche winers on the dust that they can send it back with non-refundable postage both ways and a 20% restocking fee.

FlightService wrote:

Maroon92 wrote: Had another customer track me down on facebook and send me a message that the 40 year old seat material we sent them was dusty, and that if we expected them to clean it that they would "send us an invoice for their time" billed at 65 dollars an hour. ON CHRISTMAS EVE. Douche with a capital D!

Didn't read that, I see your point of view. As far as testicular cancer over the squished beetle, that is an interesting use of literary imagary that I don't want to unravel. Merry Christmas and tell your Porsche winers on the dust that they can send it back with non-refundable postage both ways and a 20% restocking fee.

I already told her that she could have a full refund if she sent it back, then she expected us to send FedEx on our dime to come pick it up. I explained that it doesn't work like that, and she started posting pictures of the item, and slandering the company on Facebook.

Granted, the company has done some pretty douchey things in the past (none that I was party to), but we are working to clean things up, and it certainly wasn't anything that could not have waited for a civil conversation on Tuesday when everyone got back to the office.

/Vent

Maroon92 wrote: Granted, the company has done some pretty douchey things in the past (none that I was party to), but we are working to clean things up

Not to pick details... but maybe it was a gift on Christmas eve and showed up filthy? Why was it ok to send 40yrs of dust to a paying customer? Was shaking vigorously too much overhead? Not to be a prick but if I pay retail for a 40 yr old car, house or business suit... I expect it to be clean when I receive it.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

Maroon92 wrote: Granted, the company has done some pretty douchey things in the past (none that I was party to), but we are working to clean things up

Not to pick details... but maybe it was a gift on Christmas eve and showed up filthy? Why was it ok to send 40yrs of dust to a paying customer? Was shaking vigorously too much overhead? Not to be a prick but if I pay retail for a 40 yr old car, house or business suit... I expect it to be clean when I receive it.

I can see that side of it, and I completely understood. That is why I said I would give her a full refund. I don't want unhappy customers. It would not have taken more than 10 seconds to wipe it down with a damp rag.

However, I was NOT the salesperson, I did not pick it off the shelf, I did not ship it out the door. I knew literally nothing about the order until she messaged me on facebook out of the blue. I don't know if you have any kind of relationship with a salesperson at all or not, but vulgarity and profanity are not the way to get what you want. calm conversation usually works well.

I am not defending the actions of the company, I am, however, holding my accusation of Douchitude as true.

Maroon92 wrote: I don't know if you have any kind of relationship with a salesperson at all or not, but vulgarity and profanity are not the way to get what you want. calm conversation usually works well.

Sometimes... I am the 2nd salesperson for my current (admittedly terrible) company. While I would like every irate customer to be rational - I do understand the emotional outbursts when they have been screwed. I haven't had any stalkers like the facebook scenario... but it sounds like we could both do with more honorable employers ;)

It is, in fact, my New Year's resolution.

I'll admit being a Porsche owner has been kind of a pain. In my experience most people look at the car and assume you a) have money and are b) a doosh. Which sadly to say is true in a lot of cases. I personally have found that there are two types of Porsche owners the ones I describe above and enthusiasts. The entusiasts are the ones who work on their own cars, search the internet for the best part prices, take them to the track, or just drive their cars like the stole them. The bad is that the majority of owners you see nowadays are the doosh's. They buy the car for whatever reason (status symbol, extra cash flow, always wanted, etc.) but then they get pissed at all the little things that go wrong with having a car like that, and end up taking it in to worked on. I assume they end up lashing out at the mechanics, parts sellers, or whoever they come into contact with. This to me would relate back to their general doosheness and not the fact that they drive a Porsche.

I bought my car for less than a used Honda Civic. I learned early on that I could not afford to pay the mechanics their prices to work on the car. For example in 2001 when I purchased the car the mechanic got $100 an hour that made paying someone else to fix the car unrealistic. So I learned to work on the car myself. I not only found it rewarding for a job well done, but for the money I saved. I put many hours of blood, sweat and tears into my car and I love it. I've owned one other 911 that I regret selling. But with all that said, I'm not a member of PCA, and I don't like hanging out with that crowd. I'm of the drive my car like I stole it crowd...and loving it.

In reply to octavious:

I've never owned a Porsche (although not from lack of desire), but your whole experience sounds like my time in BMWs. Yeah, people don't really respect my current VWs, but I don't get flipped off anymore by pedestrians in the intersection when the car behind me honks the horn, either.

I forgot another one. The negative attention driving a 911 can have on other drivers. Everyone wants to race, or pass you wildly, or won't slide out of your way and let you pass even though you are obviously going faster than them, or tailgates the crap out of you. It gets old. I hate the goobers that want to drag race at every stop light. Really? A new minivan has more HP than my car, so I just don't get it. I've had my car so long I don't seem to notice it anymore. However, when my wife is in the car she notices the goobers. I just remind her not to pick her nose in the car because someone is always watching...

On the flipside though, not only does it make me smile everytime I drive it, but I've seen tons of kids look at the car smile. Or grab their parents and point at the car and show it to them. Granted a lot of that has probably come from the movie "Cars" but its all good. I also think its coming around where people realize its an older car and appreciate it as such. Its no 356 but its not a new GT3 either.

I resolved my delimina and just bought them all.

Left to right (Year cast, Model, caster):

unknown, 935, unknown

1978, turbo, Matchbox

1979, 930 turbo, tomica

1983, 935, Matchbox

2010, 911 GT2, Hot Wheels

1978, 924, Mattel

1979, 928, Matchbox

1982, 928, Mattel

1982, 928, Mattel

1987, 959, Mattel Hot Wheels

In reply to FlightService:

You know there is something to that, especially if you want a Lancia Stratos or something similar.

Platinum90 wrote: yes, 24 and 44 owners do tend to be nicer, but there are still a bunch of wicked arses among them. There also tend to be a bunch of idiots that think their cars are worth gold even though they only paid a grand for them. 924 owners, when I say that a certain part has been discontinued, they say "well, what am I supposed to do to get my car going again?". I don't know what you are supposed to do...um...throw it in the trash.

Contact the 924board and Ideola's Garage to see if that part has been resolved outside of Porsche/Audi's part stream.

In reply to Otto Maddox:

Ask and you shall recieve...

Lamborghini Cheetah, unknown, tomica

Lancia Stratos Turbo, 1978, tomica

Maserati Merak SS, 1978, tomica

I have to say the tomica models have held up to more abuse, use and look closer to real cars than the Hot Wheels and Matchbox cars have. Maybe because Matchbox and Hot Wheels where made in Macau and Malaysia and the tomica was made in Japan.

Can I get a real made in Japan Lancia?