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I would have filed a complaint against the examiner, and requested she be dismissed for incompetence. She clearly doesn't understand how this vehicle operates, in spite of the fact that it is permitted by the DMV to be used for the test.  The student was driving it EXACTLY in accordance with how it was designed to be driven. 

Having said that, ALL young drivers should learn to drive manual shift cars. It increases their attentiveness, and makes them better drivers. 

93EXCivic MegaDork
12/6/21 9:28 a.m.
red_stapler said:
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:

I'm just tired of 90% of drivers being awful.  I realize that I (and we) represent people who drive as a passion and that there are millions of people who drive because they feel they have to in order to function in society

I don't think it's just a feeling.  Look at our urban planning, it's almost universally car centric.  Cities devote 50-60% of their land area to parking for cars.  Highways crisscross and divide our urban areas.  People queue up daily to inch forward on interstates to their workplace.  Most retail shops are boxes along stroads, making it difficult to walk between them.  Public transportation is almost non existent outside of a few select areas.  Etc. Etc.   If you don't drive a car in the USA, how can you really participate in society?

There is the problem imo. We basically force cars even when it doesn't make sense and essential make zoning restrictions that make it impossible to build for anything else.

Boy, that's sure a negative spin. 

I disagree. We don't force cars. We enable people to enjoy freedoms in particular areas that work well with cars. 

I spent the last week in NYC. I can tell you as a matter of absolute fact that cars are NOT necessary to participate in society in many places. In a place like NYC, they are a miserable nuisance. And I have enjoyed the freedom of having no car at all. 

I suspect if we added up all the urban areas that have great variety in transport available, We'd find those statements to be untrue. A large percentage of our nation's populace DOES NOT need cars to function in society. 

Some places need pickup trucks. Some places need horses. Some places need private planes. Some places need no private transportation all. We get to choose. Isn't it fantastic to live in a place with so many choices available?

JStrobel80 New Reader
12/6/21 11:07 a.m.

I feel that what he means by "force" is that we have an "automobile" centered existence as opposed to something like Dutch culture that is definitely pedestrian/bike centered. If you were to ride your bike on most streets in this country, you would be looked at as a nuisance/hazard/game to kill. Even walking, we have to cross the road at certain places so the cars dont kill us. Small downtowns that used to be cozy are now overrun with tourists frantically driving around to find parking running people that want to ride/walk around off, its definitely a problem. 


As far as circling back around, drivers should have people either ride bicycles, or motorcycles as part of the learning in a controlled environment) to show just how vulnerable a fleshy human is against a large, heavy metal vehicle. 

ShawnG UltimaDork
12/6/21 3:08 p.m.

If you walk in the wrong place in Amsterdam, the cyclists will try to kill you.

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