yamaha wrote: Too much reliance on marksmanship abilities of officers.....40 is decently accurate though. I can't shoot a G21 .45 worth a E36 M3 though.
Then you can say, "Officers who shoot .40 shoot better than officers who shoot .45," or like I said, "better shots choose .40."
Still, it offers hard evidence that .40 S&W is at least as good as .45 ACP, not just a bunch of mall ninja claims.
yamaha wrote: In reply to Osterkraut: I personally dispute that claim.....the .40 was designed to bridge the gap between 9mm and .45, the 10mm came close however(.40 cal magnum basically) Conversely, the .357sig came from the .40, and it is a superior caliber to the .40.
10mm far outperforms .45 acp, especially when loaded to it's original specs. The .40 came about because 10mm was too much for smaller/weaker FBI agents.
The differences in power between 9mm, .40, and .45 are too small to really matter. If you need more, grab a shotgun or rifle.
In reply to Osterkraut:
No, good shots choose 9mm........great pistol shooters generally chose .38 super(9x21) or 45acp in modified 1911's though.
I agree with you with one thing though, a fragging .40 would be a devastating flesh wound.
Also rotard, I had to +1 you there.....you are correct about the 10mm. It is more punch.
yamaha wrote: In reply to Osterkraut: No, good shots choose 9mm........great pistol shooters generally chose .38 super(9x21) or 45acp in modified 1911's though.
You have to either admit .40 S&W is as good as .45 ACP (the numbers say better, actually), or admit better pistoleros choose .40 S&W.
You gotta explain those numbers!
yamaha wrote: I wouldn't bother with a .45 carbine....ammo is too salty
Salty?
I'd be interested in a lever gun in .45 ACP, but they're not available. The only .45 carbine that I do have interest in is the HK USC (w/a UMP conversion), but I genuinely have no idea what I'd do with it. That's too much money just to spend on a toy that can't do anything better than my ARs (though to be fair, an SBR'd and suppressed UMP would be pretty neat).
There is actually a new .45 carbine that was just released about a month ago that came to my attention. It is actually made here in Oregon and they have a couple at one of my local shops. Seems like a nice piece of kit. It can be broken down to fit in a pack, takes Glock mags and you can can get barrel swap kits to change out between 9mm, .40 and .45 ACP (they are working on .22LR as well). I might have to pick one up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzLnymcE9Fo
Hey,a little more info,please. Sounds interesting. OK,the pics did not come up before I started typing. Any idea on prices?
Its the TNW Aero Survival rifle. I believe they said MSRP on them will be $575 complete with optic, mags and one point sling. They have a posting for them on Slick Guns for $574.99 and I can't remember how much they were at my shop. They were just released about a month ago so it might be hard to find one without ordering direct from the factory at this point.
You can swap out the grip and stock with any flavor of AR component you want. The rifle works on a basic blow back design so fewer moving parts should hopefully make it more reliable. I kinda want to get one and really put it through its paces to see how it will handle.
EDIT: Found you can order them through Centerfire Systems and they should be shipping soon. However their site does not mention mags or the sling mentioned in the video I posted so I am not sure if it will come with those.
My friend has a Hi-Point .45 pistol. It has been great for him, no jams or failures.
I have the "even worse" Jimenez JA-Nine. I have ~200rds though it without a single jam.
m4ff3w wrote: My friend has a Hi-Point .45 pistol. It has been great for him, no jams or failures. I have the "even worse" Jimenez JA-Nine. I have ~200rds though it without a single jam.
I've fired some Hi-Points and been satisfied with their performance, but their bulky, uncomfortable and ugly. Also, I think more reputable companies products can take much more punishment. I don't rough up my weapons, but the more damage they can take, the longer they will ultimately last.
m4ff3w wrote: My friend has a Hi-Point .45 pistol. It has been great for him, no jams or failures. I have the "even worse" Jimenez JA-Nine. I have ~200rds though it without a single jam.
To give you an idea I have in the past done double that many rounds at a single shooting practice and that was for the most part slow controlled firing and the only rapid fire was keeping a ground target moving along the ground. I generally don't do mag dumps.
One time I went out and counted up I had gone through 1000 rounds of various calibers in a single day of shooting 
In reply to rebelgtp:
I did a rapid fire burn down test on a G17, 2000rds in under an hour. The barrel was actually staying on fire towards the end, but not one FTF or jam. I sold it the next week without cleaning it too(whole front half of the slide and frame were caked grey 
I've blown through 800 or so rounds of .22LR in a day, but never more than 75 rounds for the 9mm. That'll change once I get my carry weapon.
In reply to yamaha:
I can't believe someone bought it that way. I would have taken one look at it and been all
yamaha wrote: In reply to rebelgtp: I did a rapid fire burn down test on a G17, 2000rds in under an hour. The barrel was actually staying on fire towards the end, but not one FTF or jam. I sold it the next week without cleaning it too(whole front half of the slide and frame were caked grey
Guns are massively overbuilt to handle this sort of thing. My grandpa claimed that in Korea they would usually change Browning M2 barrels out only when they got hot enough to droop down noticeably.
rebelgtp wrote: In reply to yamaha: I can't believe someone bought it that way. I would have taken one look at it and been all
I clean everything religiously, except glocks. I won't clean them unless they aren't functioning properly. FWIW, too much lubricant will allow them to damage the slide(unfortunately been there, done that)
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