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rustybugkiller
rustybugkiller HalfDork
5/14/19 8:45 p.m.

 As a title says I’d like to know more about CBD oil. I’m considering trying this for my ulcerative colitis. 

 I’m kind of torn in using this since  I’ve never had a desire to use any type of illegal drug and have no interest in getting high.  I only want to see if this can help calm my disease and anxiety.

So what am I getting myself into? I live in Ohio I don’t know if this is legal. Additionally, I’m concerned with whether or not the CBD oil would give me a positive on a drug test.  Right now the disease does not allow me to have a position for a very long since if I go into a flare I end up missing so much work. 

Where do I purchase? How do I know I’m getting the real deal?

RevRico
RevRico PowerDork
5/14/19 9:05 p.m.

In reply to rustybugkiller :

You're in Ohio, Ohio is a medical marijuana state. Speak to your doctor and ask them about it, and let them know you are only interested in CBD. See what they have to say on it. 

Cbd oil is technically legal, next door in PA it's available everywhere with a cash register, I imagine is the same everywhere else as we're pretty behind the times. The majority of the retail is made from industrial hemp, which has no to minimal thc content. 

Straight cbd shouldn't show up in many drug tests. Shouldn't anyway, as the levels of THC, particularly in something available retail, have to be nonexistent to be federally legal. 

More than anything though, talk to your doctor or specialist. If you qualify for Ohio's medical program, what would be available from the dispensaries would be better than retail. Dispensaries are particularly picky about their products because of the risk involved (broad generalization). 

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/14/19 9:44 p.m.

I use it for pain.  It does help, but it’s not a miracle cure all.  I order mine online, pm me if you would like to know where.  I have heard it’s helpful for your condition.  It’s kinda grey in ohio right now, they did some cracking down and sent nastygrams to shops that sell cbd products a few months ago.  

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/14/19 10:39 p.m.

I have a prescription for it for migraines. Real CBD oil will have no THC at all. Medical card trumps any workplace rules where legal anyway. I have found great relief with it anymore no noticable side effects. 

If rather rub some plant oil on my temples than be addicted to opioids. 

rustybugkiller
rustybugkiller HalfDork
5/15/19 3:34 a.m.

In reply to Patrick :

Pm sent!

Bob

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
5/15/19 5:35 a.m.
Javelin said:

I have a prescription for it for migraines. Real CBD oil will have no THC at all. Medical card trumps any workplace rules where legal anyway. I have found great relief with it anymore no noticable side effects. 

If rather rub some plant oil on my temples than be addicted to opioids. 

Just a quick note.  I work in aerospace.  A failed drug test, card or not, is instant dismissal. 

spitfirebill
spitfirebill MegaDork
5/15/19 5:59 a.m.
Fueled by Caffeine said:
Javelin said:

I have a prescription for it for migraines. Real CBD oil will have no THC at all. Medical card trumps any workplace rules where legal anyway. I have found great relief with it anymore no noticable side effects. 

If rather rub some plant oil on my temples than be addicted to opioids. 

Just a quick note.  I work in aerospace.  A failed drug test, card or not, is instant dismissal. 

The place I used to work was the same way.  

TJL
TJL Reader
5/15/19 6:04 a.m.

As Rev said, any store bought CBD will have no THC. The drug test os going to look for THC specifically as fas as cannabis goes. As far as i know, CBD is 50 state legal. Its made from hemp, not “weed” so thc should not be an issue. 

As far as medical properties, im sure it may help your condition. Ive never tried just CBD, but have found health benefits from regular “medicinal” use of regular cannabis. Especially in edible form which would probably benefit you more. It seems to work differently in when eating it. Are they making CBD edibles? I know of folks who use it regularly for stomach issues. For me, i found the best “side effect” to be actually being able to sleep! I could go to bed exhausted at like 9pm. Before i knew it it was midnight or later and im still rolling around trying to sleep. After trying cannabis for the first time in my 30’s, i was amazed. Slept like a baby. I know ladies that use it for night sweats. Bad ones like they can soak through a few pair of PJ’s, sheets and have to sleep on a towel.. for whatever reason a edible would reduce it significantly or totally.  

Also worth adding that ths reason i didnt try it until so late in life(i had access to it in 5th grade) is because i hated it. Knew idiots who used it and blamed the plant. Those folks were idiots before it, they were still idiots after. I still think its misleading to use the term “high”. Ive always felt relaxed and calm on it, which makes it great for stress. 

But of course im unable to enjoy it due to legality. Hopefully that will be fixed soon. 

captdownshift
captdownshift GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/15/19 6:05 a.m.

Another card holder here, from back when Maryland had certificates before they had physical cards. As noted CBD won't have THC and the terphenes won't pop a screening, it also won't get you high (a good thing).  Prior to CBD oil improving in strength and quality I used topicals that did contain THC, though it obviously wouldn't be absorbed through the skin, now I only utilize CBD, primarily on post surgerical reconstruction sites and where I lost bone mass, it helps. It's not a miracle, but it's a night and day difference. The local farmer's markets now have several vendors that carry it as well, some are known dispensaries that don't bring products with THC in them to the market, others are lesser known with product that I'd research. 

rustybugkiller
rustybugkiller HalfDork
5/15/19 7:07 a.m.
captdownshift said:

Another card holder here, from back when Maryland had certificates before they had physical cards. As noted CBD won't have THC and the terphenes won't pop a screening, it also won't get you high (a good thing).  Prior to CBD oil improving in strength and quality I used topicals that did contain THC, though it obviously wouldn't be absorbed through the skin, now I only utilize CBD, primarily on post surgerical reconstruction sites and where I lost bone mass, it helps. It's not a miracle, but it's a night and day difference. The local farmer's markets now have several vendors that carry it as well, some are known dispensaries that don't bring products with THC in them to the market, others are lesser known with product that I'd research. 

My biggest fear ....showing up on a drug test.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/15/19 7:56 a.m.

I see it advertised around here more and more, good to hear it is having positive effects for people. 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
5/15/19 8:12 a.m.
TJL said:

As Rev said, any store bought CBD will have no THC. The drug test os going to look for THC specifically as fas as cannabis goes. As far as i know, CBD is 50 state legal. Its made from hemp, not “weed” so thc should not be an issue. 

As far as medical properties, im sure it may help your condition. Ive never tried just CBD, but have found health benefits from regular “medicinal” use of regular cannabis. Especially in edible form which would probably benefit you more. It seems to work differently in when eating it. Are they making CBD edibles? I know of folks who use it regularly for stomach issues. For me, i found the best “side effect” to be actually being able to sleep! I could go to bed exhausted at like 9pm. Before i knew it it was midnight or later and im still rolling around trying to sleep. After trying cannabis for the first time in my 30’s, i was amazed. Slept like a baby. I know ladies that use it for night sweats. Bad ones like they can soak through a few pair of PJ’s, sheets and have to sleep on a towel.. for whatever reason a edible would reduce it significantly or totally.  

Also worth adding that ths reason i didnt try it until so late in life(i had access to it in 5th grade) is because i hated it. Knew idiots who used it and blamed the plant. Those folks were idiots before it, they were still idiots after. I still think its misleading to use the term “high”. Ive always felt relaxed and calm on it, which makes it great for stress. 

But of course im unable to enjoy it due to legality. Hopefully that will be fixed soon. 

Your body metabolizes THC into a more potent drug when eating vs smoking. It also comes on more slowly and lasts longer.

I keep trying to get my girlfriend to go get here medical card here in OK, but things seem to keep popping up that are taking the money to do so. She is also about start her 4th different RA drug, so I think she wants to see if this one starts giving her some relief first. 

We are both fortunate that neither of us have jobs that drug test their employees. 

TJL
TJL Reader
5/15/19 8:18 a.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

Florida has a decent medical program now but from what ive heard it is EXPENSIVE! And has high reoccurring costs.  Nice to have the card for legal reasons but most still buy it the way they have been doing it the whole time.

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand UberDork
5/15/19 10:13 a.m.

Personally, I'm highly dubious of the various medical claims made for CBD oil and other marijuana-derived products.  It's classified as schedule 1, which is defined as having "no medical use".  That's clearly bogus, but the result of it is that it's extremely difficult to get permission and funding to do any proper studies on the effects of those substances, which means that there isn't much in the way of real science out there.

No real science means that what we're left with is a mixture of anecdotes, placebo effect, and outright fraud that is impossible to sort through as an individual.  UC is the kind of incurable, only partially treatable disease that is ripe for this kind of quackery.  If you look at the list of diseases that THC, CBD, or other marijuana-derived are claimed to treat you wind up with a huge number of such things, and it defies logic that any single medication could be effective against that many unrelated conditions.  Maybe there's an effect, and if CBD oil were cheap, easy to get, harmless, and lacking in legal or other consequences then there wouldn't be any reason not to give it a try.  It's not though, so personally I wouldn't risk it.

What does your gastroenterologist say?

 

rustybugkiller
rustybugkiller HalfDork
5/15/19 10:26 a.m.
codrus said:

Personally, I'm highly dubious of the various medical claims made for CBD oil and other marijuana-derived products.  It's classified as schedule 1, which is defined as having "no medical use".  That's clearly bogus, but the result of it is that it's extremely difficult to get permission and funding to do any proper studies on the effects of those substances, which means that there isn't much in the way of real science out there.

No real science means that what we're left with is a mixture of anecdotes, placebo effect, and outright fraud that is impossible to sort through as an individual.  UC is the kind of incurable, only partially treatable disease that is ripe for this kind of quackery.  If you look at the list of diseases that THC, CBD, or other marijuana-derived are claimed to treat you wind up with a huge number of such things, and it defies logic that any single medication could be effective against that many unrelated conditions.  Maybe there's an effect, and if CBD oil were cheap, easy to get, harmless, and lacking in legal or other consequences then there wouldn't be any reason not to give it a try.  It's not though, so personally I wouldn't risk it.

What does your gastroenterologist say?

 

I’m planning on asking my doctor about cbd today.

I am not in any way thinking this will cure my UC. What I do know about my condition after 10 years of treatment is that my meds will work for a given amount of time and some situation that stresses me out sets off a flare. I’m a high strung  anxious  person and all the  anxiety drugs that I have tried either give me bad side effects or do nothing at all. 

 My latest drug Xeljanz was working  on a higher dose until my doctor told me that there’s serious issues with using the high dose. This opened up question whether I should have surgery or try an immunosuppressant and a biologic at the same time.  I mediately became stressed out and anxious couldn’t sleep and within a week and a half I was in a flare again. So I guess with CBD I’m hoping that  it calms myself enough that I don’t set myself into a flare. The fear is even if I have the surgery without containing the anxiety I could end up with Crohn’s and end up having to use the same drugs that are used to control the uc.

 

 

 

Justjim75
Justjim75 HalfDork
5/15/19 10:34 a.m.

In reply to codrus :

what is your area of expertise?  im curious because you are in the minority making these statements (in this thread) and i have 7 herniated discs with up to 80% impingement on some very important nerves and have found relief in the use of some of the products and methods mentioned above.  Way more than the meds i have been prescribed and i have a very technical job for a global corporation

NermalSnert
NermalSnert Reader
5/15/19 11:57 a.m.

I have been taking it for about 8 months. I have arthritis in my neck caused by wear and tear. It has stopped aching constantly for the first time in 16 years. Anti inflammatory properties- sure seems like it!

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/15/19 12:05 p.m.
codrus said:

Personally, I'm highly dubious of the various medical claims made for CBD oil and other marijuana-derived products.  It's classified as schedule 1, which is defined as having "no medical use".  That's clearly bogus, but the result of it is that it's extremely difficult to get permission and funding to do any proper studies on the effects of those substances, which means that there isn't much in the way of real science out there.

No real science means that what we're left with is a mixture of anecdotes, placebo effect, and outright fraud that is impossible to sort through as an individual.  UC is the kind of incurable, only partially treatable disease that is ripe for this kind of quackery.  If you look at the list of diseases that THC, CBD, or other marijuana-derived are claimed to treat you wind up with a huge number of such things, and it defies logic that any single medication could be effective against that many unrelated conditions.  Maybe there's an effect, and if CBD oil were cheap, easy to get, harmless, and lacking in legal or other consequences then there wouldn't be any reason not to give it a try.  It's not though, so personally I wouldn't risk it.

What does your gastroenterologist say?

This is pretty much my opinion. Whenever I see something touted as a cure-all for everything, it pegs my BS meter. That said, I'd be willing to try it for some of my many aches and pains as long as it's legal (which it now is in Michigan) and isn't going to cause any drug test issues. As far as side effects, it can't be much worse than the fistful of prescription pills I take every morning. In other words, I might give it a try some time, but my expectations are pretty low.

tb
tb GRM+ Memberand Dork
5/15/19 12:09 p.m.

I have been using CBD oil for several months now on a daily, but low dosage, basis. This was done on the recommendation of two independent neurologists due to my chronic pain, nerve damage and neurological/immunological issues and arthritis. 

 

As others have made clear, it does not make you high and does not show on a drug screening. 

 

The beneficial relief has been notable and I have since made marked reductions in pharmaceutical pain relievers and muscle relaxers. I would compare the effects to mild medications like Tramadol and Valium. Possibly the biggest quality of life improvement has been better sleep and going from average 4.5 hrs a night to a much more restorative 6.5 hrs. Too high a dosage did make me too sleepy to wake up well in the morning but otherwise I have noticed no negative effects.

 

It is not a panacea by any means and getting a high quality product from a reputable lab is not as cheap as insurance covered medication. My biggest caveat is that it is very important to do research and consult physicians to be sure that you are using a quality product and not wasting time and money on inferior oil. There are very intelligent people who are highly involved in the science and well being aspects just like there are companies that are just cashing in on a trend. I have tried some oils in the past that were not very effective but I think that the science and production quality have improved and that you often get what you pay for...

 

I mix mine (mint chocolate flavor) into my nightly hot chocolate because it is an oil and doesn't mix with much but hot liquids are easier; occasionally a few drops under the tongue works if I am feeling lazy. 

 

ETA: I was also a skeptic but I listened to those more informed than myself and thankfully have experienced benefits, ymmv

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
5/15/19 12:11 p.m.

In reply to rustybugkiller :

If you fear it’ll make you fail a drug test, stuff like This would be enough for me to say “no thanks.”

Like any other unregulated “herbal supplement craze” you can guarantee there’s some 3rd-world country cranking this stuff out a hundred gallons at a time, and it ain’t “Pure CBD oil.”

I’m not opposed to drinking moonshine that was made in somebody’s tub, but I’m certainly not taking Cletus’s word for it when he tells me what “proof” it is.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
5/15/19 12:30 p.m.

Of note, on sourcing the oil.  Anything you see on Amazon is NOT CBD oil, it's some other form of hemp oil.

Amazon does not sell CBD oil (not sure if by regulation or policy).

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
5/15/19 12:31 p.m.

Who knew that Consumer Reports of all people would weigh in on the topic, but I found this video really interesting:

 

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/15/19 12:33 p.m.
Fueled by Caffeine said:
Javelin said:

I have a prescription for it for migraines. Real CBD oil will have no THC at all. Medical card trumps any workplace rules where legal anyway. I have found great relief with it anymore no noticable side effects. 

If rather rub some plant oil on my temples than be addicted to opioids. 

Just a quick note.  I work in aerospace.  A failed drug test, card or not, is instant dismissal. 

There is no drug test that can detect CBD. All failed drug tests from CBD actually found traces of THC from a mislabeled product. Also, CBD is legal at the Federal level as well as of 2018. I'm not a pilot or anything, but I do have to pass drug tests for my state license to practice, and I pass.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/15/19 12:39 p.m.
Justjim75 said:

In reply to codrus :

what is your area of expertise?  im curious because you are in the minority making these statements (in this thread) and i have 7 herniated discs with up to 80% impingement on some very important nerves and have found relief in the use of some of the products and methods mentioned above.  Way more than the meds i have been prescribed and i have a very technical job for a global corporation

NermalSnert said:

I have been taking it for about 8 months. I have arthritis in my neck caused by wear and tear. It has stopped aching constantly for the first time in 16 years. Anti inflammatory properties- sure seems like it!

I have 6 bulging discs (3 cervical, 3 thoracic) that impinge on the spinal fluid canal and the nerve roots for my arms plus cervicalgia, arthritis, and significant nerve damage including a surgery to my left ulnar nerve. I have a loss of feeling sensation in both hands and arms and both arms "fall asleep" and have major nerve pain shooting up and down. This is all from a nearly 15 year old neck injury in the military. I have been to literally dozens of doctors throughout the years to control the pain and the effects with OT, PT, massage therapy, chiropractic, medications, injections, etc, etc.

I have gotten more actual day-to-day relief for my symptoms with CBD oil than everything else with less side effects. There are clinical studies in other countries that do show benefits specifically for nerve pain/damage and disc herniations that are showing positive results.

It's not some cure-all, but it does work for these things.

NermalSnert
NermalSnert Reader
5/15/19 12:47 p.m.

And..... I sleep better and seem to be less grouchy, which means I'm just a plain ol' SOB now.

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