There's been a lot of good music mentioned so far and quite a bit of this stuff is on my MP3 player.
I'm just surprised we made it to page 3 without bringing up Fear, 7 Seconds, and Reagan Youth.
There's been a lot of good music mentioned so far and quite a bit of this stuff is on my MP3 player.
I'm just surprised we made it to page 3 without bringing up Fear, 7 Seconds, and Reagan Youth.
WOW, can't believe I forgot (earlier) Bad Religion, Bad Brains, Subhumans and 7 Seconds. Shame on me. I never really got into FEAR or DRI shrug I did and do really like Citizen Fish more than Subhumans. That "Small Scale Wars" song is lyrical and musical genius...THANK YOU YOUTUBE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxU_20u8Hq0
I have a real issue with the amount of gang influence Suicidal Tendencies brought into the punk scene. It brought a lot of violence with it and an ST show was the first real time that I saw kids bringing guns and knives to shows.
Same with crossover. Before crossover it was called slam dancing and moved in a big circle and was fun when crossover happened it became "moshing" and was more about violence than anything. Guys who had never heard the music started coming because they heard they could beat people up and get away with it. And they did so even more started coming.
I really resent crossover for what it did to the live music scene. It took it from a safe thing that could happen 2 to 3 times a week to a liability that no venue was willing to risk and killed the live music for years in my town and many others. The only good that came out of that was the proliferation of basement shows and a stronger DIY ethic amongst bands that now had no place to play.
How about some DC based bands. Government Issue? Teen Idles? State of Alert?
Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to Appleseed: I love early Devo. I'd call it post-punk.
Except it was happening at the same time as punk was starting in California. Devo was more art rock than anything alse but aligned with the ethos of punk. At the same time that devo was happening The cramps were also coming around.
The Masque (underground club in LA) was where most of these bands played and I think that really cemented the best thing about punk rock. Its incredible diversity. If you saw Devo, the Cramps and the avengers on the same night it was 3 totally different types of music that were all considered punk. That has carried on to this day and is why it never gets boring.
I'm also adding Agent Orange to my list.
Devo was more art rock than anything alse but aligned with the ethos of punk.
I agree with that. But that is one definition of post punk. Post punk didn't mean punk ended. It just means some similarly themed bands moved beyond punk. Even some punk bands.
By the way, here's a good local (Orlando) punk band: http://theattack.us/
I have seen them twice. Their website is fairly dead, but they do rock. Plus they get bonus points for not dressing up before going on stage. I'm sorry, but I don't know if I can call someone punk when they spend more time on their hair than my wife does.
Some of the old-school punk bands mentioned are still out there, too--and they still rock. In past year or so I have seen Suicidal Tendencies (2x), D.R.I. (2x), Misfits (2x), Bad Religion, Bad Brains, NoFX (also 2x) Man Or Astroman and a few more. It's time for Agent Orange to play down this way again, too. That's always a good show.
02Pilot wrote: No mention of the MC5 yet? Wow....
Were they early punk or early metal? Either way, they did kick ass. I just picked up Kick Out the Jams, too.
They're more ska-punk than punk-punk, but add Skif Dank, Gabe's old band, to that list or bands to check out:
http://www.myspace.com/skifdank
What is Oi!?
How have we hit 3 pages without one mention of "Rocket from the crypt"?
John Reis/Speedo/Swami is my hero and can pretty much do no wrong. All of his bands have been amazing Drive like Jehu, Hot Snakes, The Night Marchers
93EXCivic wrote: What is Oi!?
Oi! was or still is a working class british subgenre of punk. Songs about football and violence and being hassled by the cops. The soundtrack to a football hooligan riot basically. Sham69 would be the most well known Oi! band. It eventually became synonymous with the skinhead movement.
The very first punk song I heard was the stereotypical Oi! song. I still remember that sunday night in 1984 vividly when Lucy Lizzard's radio show on the local college station came on and I heard this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQhLZH-fnmM
I was hooked from the first note. I jammed a Maxell tape into the deck as fast as I could to record as much as I could get of this amazing, new to me thing.
A few weeks later on the late night TV showcase "Night Flight" I saw the documentary "Another state of mind" Following social distortion and youth brigade on tour. That was where I learned what I was learning to love was called "punk"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpnz4i5rAzo
Warning that link is the full 1hr 18minute movie
If the Cramps are punk for the terms of this discussion (and I loved the Cramps, mind) then so is The Rev. Horton Heat.
I consider them psychohbilly, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn4lJqbv7So
Brett_Murphy wrote: If the Cramps are punk for the terms of this discussion (and I loved the Cramps, mind) then so is The Rev. Horton Heat. I consider them psychohbilly, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn4lJqbv7So
Yeah they are psychobilly IMHO. I have some of both of their stuff.
I've learned a lot here. I see all the "...why no...." posts. I even see a "...why no New York?" And I know most of youse is young guys.
Maybe I missed it, but really...no love for Handsome Dick Manitoba and the Dictators?
David S. Wallens wrote:02Pilot wrote: No mention of the MC5 yet? Wow....Were they early punk or early metal? Either way, they did kick ass. I just picked up Kick Out the Jams, too.
Kinda both. Belligerent and loud (it's easier to ignore the politics now). Came up around the same time as Iggy and Alice Cooper in Detroit.
93EXCivic wrote: Does Blink 182 count as punk either?
no, they are just gay. like green day and good charlotte.
voodoo glow skulls - ska-punk
the tossers(if you like the murphys, here ya go)
88mph?
ditchdigger wrote: How have we hit 3 pages without one mention of "Rocket from the crypt"? John Reis/Speedo/Swami is my hero and can pretty much do no wrong. All of his bands have been amazing Drive like Jehu, Hot Snakes, The Night Marchers
I've never considered Rocket from the Crypt "punk." Not that they're not awesome. Though nowhere near as awesome as DLJ. (IMHO)
Drive like Jehu were godlike, but RFTC had a swagger about them that was perfect for what they were doing.
On paint as a fragrance Speedo refered to himself as a "punk rocker" Yeah they were rock and roll but unlike any other RnR that was around. They played punk venues with other punk bands and were included on punk compilations and avaliable in the punk section of record stores. Guilt by association I guess.
999!
I'm going to be saying "oh crap! I forgot xxxx" and coming back to this thread for days...
I think you call the MC5 'proto-punk'. Punk sound (and ideals) before the punk "scene" took off.
Another excellent similar band (out of Detroit, too) is Death. Check out their album '...For the Whole World to See'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl3FstCc_OY
Hey, a thread about something I know about! Here are my suggestions:
-Rikk Agnew's 1st solo record All by Myself. Tremendously good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK7zOMiztHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGmN3fWIlY&feature=related
-Jack Grisham's (ex TSOL) band called The Joykiller...all 3 albums are great, but hard to find.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ut3k7yQm0
-X-Ray Spex Germ-free Adolescents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w72-hyrM88
-The Fixtures album Devil's Playground
-Nomeansno (maybe not punk by some metrics)
-(early-ish) Strung Out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM2RmFD0hy8
-(early-ish) Millencolin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMdNuFIx00
-Mr. T Experience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qVCQzoqiJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5rVQg_C7Xw&feature=related
Credited as the inventors of emo:
Rites of Spring--For Want Of (Awesome lyrics on this song) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge8ucvLYLRc
For those who are unfamiliar, Guy went on to be one of the singers in Fugazi. He's a rather important voice, IMHO--and no one out there sounds like him, either.
RI hardcore legends Verbal Assault: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3IQQl3kIk8 (this was WAY ahead of its time)
For post-hardcore, Quicksand (singer Walter Shriefels is a NY hardcore kingpin and an oft-imitated voice) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmvbiuzMcWs&ob=av2e
...and a later band of his that was/is pretty damn good (they just released something new in 2011--"69 Guns" was good--even if it used the main riff to 2's "Gloria") however, this is "Used For Glue" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcRt7kkzcxM&ob=av2e
Some great suggestions so far, but unless I missed it, can't believe nobody mentioned Ian Dury & the Blockheads yet! Granted, there's some debate where he falls in the whole Punk vs. New Wave arc, but he was lightyears wittier than virtually anything in that period. Be sure to check out the following ...
"Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll" (also the title of a bio film from a couple years back starring the guy who played Golem)
"Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick"
"Reasons to be Cheerful, Part 3"
and my personal fav ... "Razzle in my Pocket" (actually proto rap-esque)
P.S. Their biggest album -- New Boots & Panties -- is #495 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All TIme list.
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