Tesla is in big trouble

Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself said:

Also, I miss ECM.

Same.

Mr_Asa said:

Is he a politician?

Thats generally been the line around here.  Do we nees to revise that line to include non politicians? 

 

If that is the line, can you unlock the CEO shot thread you locked? Neither the shooter or victim are politicians.

Boost_Crazy said:

In reply to dculberson :

There were 3 at some point. You are saying that I'm the one with the reading comprehension problem and that I'm trolling? Do you not understand how linear time works? THIS is the post that I responded to, in which I called your comment garbage. Which I stand by. You LATER posted that you didn't think Musk was a Nazi. Am I expected to respond to your future posts before you post them? Your post...
 

Alfa, c'mon dude. The only thing that changed Q1 2025 was Elon's politics. Quality was the same, cars were the same, literally everything was the same, but like a switch when Musk went far right and started throwing nazi salutes their sales tanked and stock dove. Do you honestly think the sales drop has to do with panel gaps and some nebulous fire risk? I can promise you it does not. I was seriously considering a model y performance, as one of the few tow rated EVs that aren't a full on truck weighing over 7000lbs, and have even rented Teslas and mostly tolerated their oddities, but now there is no way you will ever catch me owning one. That exact same scenario has iterated millions of times in this country and that is the only reason their sales have tanked.

Tell ya what how about I quote this so you can see them together and see where I didn't call him a nazi. He did throw a nazi salute though which you have not made any arguments as to why it wasn't one. Also Your hidden post was directly below mine stating that I did not consider him a nazi. Am I to assume that when I post A and immediately after you post B that b did not follow A? Seems you've got a problem with linear time despite having fun being rude to me about it. Also seems like others agree as I haven't downvoted a single one of your posts yet they've gotten plenty. 
 

How about you view the video showing Musk alongside actual neo nazis and then tell me how his salute differs from theirs. Also how literally nobody has used that gesture and facial expression to communicate "my heart goes out to you" but his sycophants can come up with all sorts of reasons why he did it except ones that actually make sense.

screen shot in case you're confused:

see me saying "i dont think he's a nazi" then you claiming I said he's a nazi. b follows a not vice versa. Also it's not stills it's video. Have you actually watched the video?

Everybody wants to be a moderator until it's time to do moderator E36 M3. 
 

The rule is we don't discuss politics around here. Not politicians. Politics. When you see the words liberal and conservative and MAGA and Nazi all in the same thread, you know we're well out in the weeds and not really on the subject of cars anymore. 
 

We are about to go to a pie place here to get a Chocolate Bourbon Pecan pie. 

Mmmmmm, pie. 

Before I quit Reddit I moderated r/cars for a whole bunch of years. 

We had a firm rule: "Discuss policy, not politics."

Unfortunately, at this point this thread would not pass our policy/politics sniff test and it has, accordingly, devolved into name-calling and accusations. It's very hard to separate the personal from the political, the policy from the politician; it's hard to cut water with an even keel and to disagree respectfully and politely. Probably it's time to wrap up this thread and move on, eh? 

z31maniac said:

We are about to go to a pie place here to get a Chocolate Bourbon Pecan pie. 

Mmmmmm, pie. 

Ooh, I've had this bag of frozen cherries for a long time...  Maybe I'll turn those into pie this afternoon.  Because, damn you, now I want pie, too!

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

Well, I tried. No wonder you got downvoted. I even quoted the message showing you where I didn't call him a nazi. Work on reading, thinking, then posting, in that order. I realize emotions surrounding this stuff are high but I wish we could do better here. 

Yeah, this one has run it's course. IBTL..

Mr_Asa said:

Is he a politician?

Thats generally been the line around here.  Do we nees to revise that line to include non politicians? 

Since when and according to who? There are MANY threads that have explicitly been both issued warnings and locked down for 'politics', including by the hosts of this 'party', that were not at all about 'politicians'. See also...

Marjorie Suddard said:

You will refrain from politics...

The line I've typically seen actually demonstrated around here for the divisive topics list, has generally seemed to be around the ability of people to at least attempt to maintain reasonably meaningful and respectful discourse.

I'm no longer seeing any such pretenses in this thread.

I feel like Musk could throw up two middle fingers and say "America is number one!" And people would just make excuses that he was doing the "#1 hand gesture." Bizarre. 
 

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

I quoted both posts. I never called Elon a nazi. I said he did a nazi salute. Point to anywhere where I called him a nazi. You won't be able to because I did not. 

In reply to dculberson :

I'd say that this is pretty damn close enough for the average person to get that take. You are splitting hairs...

Musk went far right and started throwing nazi salutes

 

Pretty sure Nazis are the ones throwing Nazi salutes, so saying someone is throwing Nazi salutes infers that you believe them to be a Nazi, or at least intend to portray them a Nazi. Otherwise, why mention it? 
 

For the record, I'm not defending Musk. He's a weird dude that does a lot that I don't agree with. I'm defending critical thinking and common sense. If you called Obama a far left communist, I'd speak out against that too. Stick to the facts, there was no need for your comment, especially on this forum. You could have said "Musk alienated his customers with his politics" and avoided the whole far right (a whole topic that I could debate but not on this forum) Nazi saluter. 

dculberson said:

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

I quoted both posts. I never called Elon a nazi. I said he did a nazi salute. Point to anywhere where I called him a nazi. You won't be able to because I did not. 

I don't have a horse in this race, nor do I have enough information to have a reasoned opinion about the current state of the Tesla company. I have speculation and ideas, but nothing that hasn't been said. I'm an idiot for even replying at this point. :)

For your consideration: "He did a Nazi salute" implies something. "He did a something that could be seen as a Nazi salute" makes the same point about the potential impact to his company's success without any implication that he is or is not a Nazi. A minor nuance in language, but one that plays into the desire for this forum to remain free of political discussion. 

YMMV. 

I figured this topic would go off the rails sooner or later.  But 6 pages in a half day shows everyone wanted to get their words up.  Elon went off the rails long before DOGE, it started when he made overtures to buy twitter.  Then I think he enjoyed getting people worked up.  Take some time to read the book Walter Isaacson wrote about him. Very interesting, but needs an update.  What does this post have to do with tesla?  The car doesn't matter anymore its all about Elon defining reality and people reacting to it.  

Steve_Jones said:

Plenty of people bashing Tesla because of "Politics" own Porsches, VWs, etc. ..

The difference is that the problematic figures associated with those brands are long dead and buying one will no longer fund any associated distasteful politics.

Also without Ford there might be no VW and no problematic chapter in Porsche's history...

GameboyRMH said:

Steve_Jones said:

Plenty of people bashing Tesla because of "Politics" own Porsches, VWs, etc. ..

The difference is that the problematic figures associated with those brands are long dead and buying one will no longer fund any associated distasteful politics.

Also without Ford there might be no VW and no problematic chapter in Porsche's history...

So vehicles designed by actual Nazis are fine, because of time. I wasn't sure where the line was. 

Why mention "funding distasteful politics" in this (according to mods) non political thread?

In reply to Steve_Jones :

Maybe "distasteful" wasn't the best choice of words, perhaps "controversial" would've been a more neutral choice.

But yes I think boycotts are more driven by what buying a product will fund and what it stands for in the present than who founded the brand or even something bad they did in the past. People don't boycott Hugo Boss, Bayer or IBM much these days either.

Nazis were socialists (It's in the party name).

Pretty sure Elon is not.

In reply to ShawnG :

If you believe that, I have a Democratic People's Republic to sell you. Look up who their political arch-enemies were and who they got political support from. I'd like to think that's a matter of history rather than politics.

Personally, Elon's back-to-back "my heart to yours" gestures just added confirmation to what he had already convinced me of. If anyone wants details they can DM me, but it's all very public information.

The stock had a nice run-up today, closing up $25.44 per share. 

Hmm, wonder what's going on in the Tesla thread? ...HOLY BERK!