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Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
10/9/18 9:00 a.m.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. 

I'm down 12 pounds in 10 days. We will stick with it for now. My average daily calorie intake is 1850. I don't eat all the fat they recommend. Mostly leaner meats and green veggies. It's working, I'll keep it up for now. 

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
10/9/18 9:02 a.m.

In reply to Toyman01 :

1850?  whoa..  I'm trying to stick to 2300-2400 and have a hard time with it..  

MrJoshua
MrJoshua UltimaDork
10/9/18 9:19 a.m.

That sounds high for consistent fat loss Iggy. It will likely work if you are looking at a year long plan, but if you want to hit your goal in less than 6 months you are probably going to have to push lower. For an equal comparisonToyman's low carb thing acts more like a 1400-1600 calorie higher carb diet as far as speed of fat loss.

Klayfish
Klayfish PowerDork
10/9/18 11:26 a.m.
Toyman01 said:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. 

I'm down 12 pounds in 10 days. We will stick with it for now. My average daily calorie intake is 1850. I don't eat all the fat they recommend. Mostly leaner meats and green veggies. It's working, I'll keep it up for now. 

Congrats on being down 12 lbs.  Doing 1850 calories per day will do that.  However, my suggestion is don't do that consistently for too long.  That's really low calorie.  Your body will eventually go into a "starvation mode" where it'll hang on to every calorie it can.  Your weight loss will taper off rapidly.  As has been said here, a well balanced daily nutrition plan is what will be long term sustainable.  I'm at something like 2500 calories per day, except my cheat meal day which is...well, I don't even know and don't want to know.  Let's just say I thoroughly enjoy it....

dculberson
dculberson UltimaDork
10/9/18 11:36 a.m.
z31maniac said:

Yep, the studies outcome just depends on who is funding it. Everything kills you, everything is known toxic to California but nowhere else, etc, etc. 

I think that might be an overly simplistic take on it. It seems to me it's more like, people want a certain thing to be true and advance it through public health initiatives / etc, but actual studies show it to not be true. Note many of the former beliefs were not based on studies.

mtn
mtn MegaDork
10/9/18 11:41 a.m.
MrJoshua said:

That sounds high for consistent fat loss Iggy. It will likely work if you are looking at a year long plan, but if you want to hit your goal in less than 6 months you are probably going to have to push lower.

Not if he is burning 3000 calories a day, which is relatively easy to do--workout for about 45 minutes a day and you're there. A pound a week. 

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
10/9/18 12:05 p.m.

In reply to MrJoshua :

1,  let's drop the iggy

2.  My BMR is 2800-3000 with 3-5 days a week of working out.  3 days a week of a full body routine + 1-2 days a week of cycling/ab work..  It's hard to keep it up.. but I'm working on it.

3. I travel a lot for work (130K in air miles this year and counting!!!).  I need something sustainable.  

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
10/9/18 12:06 p.m.

In reply to mtn :

yeah my BMR is high.. ugh..

MrJoshua
MrJoshua UltimaDork
10/9/18 12:17 p.m.
mtn said:
MrJoshua said:

That sounds high for consistent fat loss Iggy. It will likely work if you are looking at a year long plan, but if you want to hit your goal in less than 6 months you are probably going to have to push lower.

Not if he is burning 3000 calories a day, which is relatively easy to do--workout for about 45 minutes a day and you're there. A pound a week. 

From my experience coaching people through weight loss programs it rarely works. Your body is a very adaptable machine. If you don't go low enough it will just slow down your metabolism slightly to adapt. On top of that you get all the nasty cravings and hunger and "occasional" cheats that negate a weeks worth of results in one meal.  Eating cleaner with lower calories coming from better sources will never be a bad thing, but it may not get him what he is looking for.  

MrJoshua
MrJoshua UltimaDork
10/9/18 12:33 p.m.

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :

Is FbC better? I l was going for something personal and your name is long.

Lots of travel lends itself better to behavior modification and rule diets. Counting calories is going to be a tedious and likely inaccurate task if you are eating food other people prepared.

If someone were to come to me and just blindly say "tell me what to do" in your situation I would say this:

-3 meals a day centered around protein, fats, veggies, and fruit. 

-snacks between meals are allowed/optional but they have to be plants (veggies or fruit).

-If you have to have a starch with your meal limit it to less than an ice cream sized scoop of whatever it is.

-Exercise and make sure it includes strength training.

Of course you didn't ask and I don't have that many details about your life and the food you are regularly exposed to so take this however you may.

ThatsNoUsername
ThatsNoUsername GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
10/9/18 12:44 p.m.

I know someone who was recommended to eat 800 calories a day for weight loss by his doctor.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
10/9/18 12:53 p.m.

In reply to MrJoshua :

yes. thanks.  

 

It's sold advice.  I've done the low carb thing and keto thing, but really have a hard time with fats.  Because I cannot eat nuts, I eat a ton of saturated animal fat..  Salmon or fish is a good alternative but is pricey.  I've also had incredible headaches from eating salmon before, so I'm wary of what caused that issue... So many weird allergies i have.. 

 

anyway.. What I've learned over the years is that I some bodies react differently to different food.  

 

The traveling is tough.. I mean.. It's tough to go to Malaysia and not have amazing food.  Trying to control portions is all I can do and to be fair, the fatigue from the long trips ups the eating.  It's a double whammy.. 

 

Sorry for the disorganized weirdness.. Also. I can't keep lifiting like I am with a huge caloric defecit.. I enjoy the weights.. Trying to keep that up on 1500-1800 caloires will work, but will be tough!

Suprf1y
Suprf1y UltimaDork
10/9/18 4:16 p.m.
ThatsNoUsername said:

I know someone who was recommended to eat 800 calories a day for weight loss by his doctor.

Not entirely related to the discussion but interesting enough.

I have a good friend who, at 5'7", 165 lbs and 60 years old, went to the doctor for his checkup. You're diabetic she said, and this is the plan. You're going to take this medication, then this one , then it might stop working so we'll put you on this one... etc, you'll be on them for the rest of your life. Berkeley that he said, I'm not taking all those pills.

He went home, did some research and found a protocol from a British university (I've since seen it being studied locally) that said he was diabetic because the the fat stores in his organs (I'm going from memory here) and he needed to get down to the low end of his BMI (he was at the top end of normal) eating a 800 calorie diet until the weight is off. When he told his doctor she said it was nonsense, it would never work and he would be back.

He did it, lost 30 lbs and his numbers have been perfect since. That was over 5 years ago.

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
10/9/18 4:25 p.m.
Fueled by Caffeine said:

In reply to Toyman01 :

1850?  whoa..  I'm trying to stick to 2300-2400 and have a hard time with it..  

I managed to kick a 30 year smoking habit a couple of years ago. This has been pretty easy by comparison. 

I also have a moderately physical job. On occasion I spend a day sitting but for the most part, I'm up and moving most of the time. 

 

 

Nick Comstock
Nick Comstock MegaDork
10/9/18 6:00 p.m.

According to the my fitness pal app. Which I've been using for two weeks. I am averaging 1626 per day total. I feel like I'm eating normally on days that I'm not fasting. I don't feel hungry at all. 

Net according to the app is 863. However I don't put much stock in that number because of the inaccuracies of trying to estimate how many calories I burn in a day. 

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
10/9/18 6:58 p.m.

In reply to Suprf1y :

My father is diabetic. He pretty much told the doctor the same thing and cut 90% of the simple sugars out of his diet. Problem solved. 

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
10/25/18 1:17 p.m.

25 days in. Weight loss has slowed down like I figured it would. I'm down 16 pounds so far. Actually feel better than I did before I started. 

The menu needs some more variety. Especially the lunch menu. Meat and cheese or salads get old. Today was tuna and egg salad with celery stalks. 
 

Post up your cold, low carb/zero carb, lunch ideas that will survive a cooler. 

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo SuperDork
10/25/18 4:10 p.m.

Just popping in to say congrats, and would suggest transitioning away from Keto to CICO.

 

Not only is CICO 100% foolproof but you can literally eat anything you want in moderation. Variety - the world is yours.

Down 50 lbs on CICO since Jan 1. 

Below is what I ate today.  Most days are pretty typical.  No soda, black coffee, unsweetened tea, no alcohol during the week, a glass of milk usually and once in a while some OJ.

  • Home made apple scone
  • Banana
  • Black coffee
  • Honeycrisp apple
  • Tuna sandwich
  • Spaghetti with home made sauce (no meat)
  • Garlic bread
  • Small cookie and glass of milk.
  • Fun size Butterfinger.
  • Tootsie Roll Pop

 

Rufledt
Rufledt UberDork
10/26/18 10:38 p.m.

I sorta do keto, though not strictly.  not sure that counts.  Basically i try do very low carb, high fat meals when it's convenient, but occasionally i'll have a burger or something like that if we stop at a burger joint.  I guess it's keto when I eat at home/when convenient?  I also started doing intermittent fasting.  Lunch and dinner only most days, occasionally only one meal a day.  Sometimes i don't eat all day, generally saturday when i'm super busy working on stuff.  Just coffee and/or water when i'm not eating.  when I do eat, I pig out (on ketogenic kinds of foods, not stuff like cake and ice cream).  No joke.  Pig out.  Literally until my stomach hurts and the feelings of being ill outweigh my desire to keep eating tasty food, because food is awesome.  I'm down 50 lbs since the beginning of the year.  My blood pressure went down, my energy went waaaaaay up.  My bp wasn't bad, just normal for a 30 year old guy.  Now it's 'ideal' whatever that means.  Whatever they measure at my physical either stayed the same or improved from previous years.  

My results may not be typical. I'm 30, a guy, no health issues to begin with.  I was very overweight, almost obese, eating a lot of normal american type food.  Burgers, Cocacola, that sort of thing.  No idea if my weight loss and health improvements came from eating "ketogenic" food, from the intermittent fasting, or from just not eating the normal garbage.  I image it's a combination.  My energy levels went way up as soon as the intermittent fasting started, even before a pound of weight loss happened.  

In my experience the reason i can stick to this diet is because i'm not 'dieting', i'm eating what I want in amounts that make me full.  I like bacon and eggs, steak, fish, avocados, and so on.  YMMV

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
10/28/18 5:05 p.m.
Rufledt said:

In my experience the reason i can stick to this diet is because i'm not 'dieting', i'm eating what I want in amounts that make me full.  I like bacon and eggs, steak, fish, avocados, and so on.  YMMV

This is worth reading. My diet really didn't change beyond cutting out all the sugars and starches. It was fairly easy to do. I'm down a little over 17 pounds now.

Antihero
Antihero GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/28/18 6:35 p.m.
Toyman01 said:

25 days in. Weight loss has slowed down like I figured it would. I'm down 16 pounds so far. Actually feel better than I did before I started. 

The menu needs some more variety. Especially the lunch menu. Meat and cheese or salads get old. Today was tuna and egg salad with celery stalks. 
 

Post up your cold, low carb/zero carb, lunch ideas that will survive a cooler. 

Canned tuna spiced as you like it and beef jerky is what i did a lot. Add an avocado too

Carbon
Carbon UltraDork
11/2/18 12:07 a.m.

I try to only est things that were alive (plants and animals), I fail miserably at doing so and still have lost 45 lbs. no attention paid to calories what so ever, <30g each sugar and carbs a day is my target and in a year, Ive hit my target weight (185lbs 6'2"). I feel better than I ever have in my life. 

 

Weight reduction bro!

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
11/2/18 6:45 a.m.

34 days in and I'm down 18 pounds. Average daily carbs, 21. Average daily calories, 1942. 

Looks like things are settling out to losing 1-2 pounds a week. I'm good with that. According to the app I'm using I should hit my goal weight mid 2019. 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
11/2/18 9:26 a.m.
Toyman01 said:

34 days in and I'm down 18 pounds. Average daily carbs, 21. Average daily calories, 1942. 

Looks like things are settling out to losing 1-2 pounds a week. I'm good with that. According to the app I'm using I should hit my goal weight mid 2019. 

Which app did you say you were using again?

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
11/2/18 10:04 a.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

Stupid Simple Keto. 

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