In reply to STM317:
:golfclap: Thank you, sir.
In reply to STM317:
:golfclap: Thank you, sir.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote: In reply to Huckleberry: yeah this is my experience as well over there. Regular cops do not carry and they have to call for "armed Response" should they need to...
Funny what a single experience with an individual will make you think about an entire group. We were in London in '06, took a picture of Jewels with a "Bobby" in front of Parliament who had a shoulder strapped MP5. I commented to her afterwards something like, "damn you don't berk with the British police!"
So you're telling me they don't all carry sub machine guns? Way to ruin the dream. 
Flight Service wrote: ...I don't know what you do for a living but I am a mechanical engineer and a Six Sigma Black belt. I can throw raw stats numbers at you all day and make you an incompetent liar or a foretelling genius just by how I portray the same data...
That's a bit like saying you are a master mechanic and when you bring your car to me I can either fix what my expertise tells me is wrong, or I can screw you over royally and charge you for all sorts of things. The customer does not know either way, but one is clearly more "correct" then the other.
Otherwise, there is a Six Sigma Black Belt trainer who trains engineers on here who might want to have a discussion with about your processes...
In the least, you are NOT helping in the portrayal of professional statisticians. Perhaps you need to rephrase what you said?
On topic: There are certainly statistics in this situation that could be very useful in shedding some light about what is actually going on (or not). I have not seen them but I am not even sure they exist (as in, they don't collect them).
In reply to bigdaddylee82:
not usually.. I spent my time working in North Yorkshire, Huddersfield to be exact. Your average guy out on patrol in that area.. no.
My experiences in France and Germany were different. The French cops varied from a copy cat of an American copy with a side arm to soldiers patrolling train stations with big guns and a nasty looking german shepard. In Japan, I saw armed and unarmed cops, but mostly armed. How a country or city or town does policing should be a local decision. Just sharing my experience.
mapper wrote: I don't think the British model of policing would work here. Outside of metro areas, how many LEOs work in areas where backup can be up to 30 minutes away. Making a traffic stop on a car full of people with possible bad intentions at 2:00 AM on a remote highway is not the time I would want to be unarmed.
Alaska VPSO's are un armed and do well from my understanding. Tons of guns in rural Alaska and help is hours away.
http://www.dps.state.ak.us/ast/vpso/
In reply to aircooled:
Unfortunately, they teach you this the first day of Black Belt training and you can go from one outlet to the next and get the point confirmed. Statistics are useful when the are looking for a particular metric.
There is a funny quote they back it up with too. "All models (statistics) are wrong, but some are useful"
A bit off topic, but this election I have made it a habit of going through the reports on the polling data and not just the summary. Most of the polls aren't worth making toilet paper out of. I am having the same issues on an environmental review I am looking at. The data disclosure is lacking.
bigdaddylee82 wrote: So you're telling me they don't all carry sub machine guns? Way to ruin the dream.
When I was going through Heathrow, they did NOT carry submachine guns. They carried assault rifles (REAL assault rifles) "at the ready" like they were on patrol in Afghanistan.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote:mapper wrote: I don't think the British model of policing would work here. Outside of metro areas, how many LEOs work in areas where backup can be up to 30 minutes away. Making a traffic stop on a car full of people with possible bad intentions at 2:00 AM on a remote highway is not the time I would want to be unarmed.Alaska VPSO's are un armed and do well from my understanding. Tons of guns in rural Alaska and help is hours away. http://www.dps.state.ak.us/ast/vpso/
And there is nothing wrong with that and the program seems to work well. Each situation is different though I can think of many rural areas in the lower 48 where a program like that would result in dead cops. The mix of cultures and customs in the U.S. is pretty unique (Mostly in the quantity of people in each unique variation). Mix in the base culture of the U.S. and I don't see something like that work. Canada is another example. Guns exist in quantity but the culture is different.
STM317 wrote: In reply to Flight Service: Sounds like you have a fantastic community that you choose to live in, and a job where you make enough that you can afford to live there. The problems we see with police brutality and overreach don't typically occur in neighborhoods like yours. That's basically my point. You're educated, and make decent enough money to choose where you live, and you can afford to pay those higher taxes to live in a nicer, safer place and send your children to the best school of your choosing. That's not common. These situations involving police overreach aren't typically happening in well off areas with highly educated people and low crime rates. I'm not suggesting that YOU have to choose between education and security. I'm suggesting that the troubled areas where the incidents typically occur have to make these choices. Most of the civilians involved don't have the same opportunities as you because of some combination of various socioeconomic reasons, and a direct result of their decisions. They often have criminal backgrounds. It's these troubled areas, where the schools are often lacking, and they have to make real choices about allocation of funds due to depressed local economies. If you have $50,000 to spend to help a troubled neighborhood, how do you do it? Pay a beat cop's salary? Level the vacant house that breeds crime, and turn it into greenspace? Put it into the local afterschool program? There's only so much money to go around in these communities. It's an extremely complex problem without a single, easy answer. I think the most important part of your post is your final point about engagement. You and your community are engaged in making it a better place. I agree completely with you that being engaged is critical to overcoming this problem. In the high-crime areas where so many of these incidents occur, there is little to no engagement or investment in making the place better by anyone. It has to start on a small scale, in individual houses, and neighborhoods. People have to care, and want better for themselves.
I make 35% below the average income for where I live. My family made choices to live here. I no longer have multiple cars, I have one cheap car. I don't drive anything for fun anymore. I can't afford to. Beans are a normal part of the food budget, I skip meals on days when money is short. My "fun" is taking my kids for a free picnic with pizza or to a park or playground. A class birthday party almost always gets a meeting between me and the wife on how we will pay for a present for some other kid. This year is better than last year. I had to beg for money, and some people on this board contributed, to be able to afford the move. (Thank you again to all that made it possible)
I don't tell you this for you to feel pity, or sorry, or think I want to be a martyr. Because other than money my life is approaching perfection. I tell you this because the situation you claim doesn't exist. I made a choice to put my kids first and sought out these things. People can get engaged, people can clean up thier community, people can go out and help solve problems and vote. I was raised in one of the poorest counties in Tennessee and growing up we competed. We had top 30 test scores for those that took it. We had high teenage drop out rates, but after my class left in 94 everything changed. This isn't my opinion this is the teachers I had. All of them said we were the last of the "kids that did something" My 100 kid class had one guy who works for the UN. Two Drs, one woman that has a MD from Duke, MS in Culinary Arts and is now a Georgetown grad Attorney (Amy must just be the name of the odd ones). Another is a PhD and teaches botony. We all came up through the states education initiative. Lamar Alexander was our governor and they spent money on education. We are those results. Then the state cut education.
Anyone who has ever asked me to help them find a job I do. I have had 1 person take me up on it because everything caused them to move.
I had one guy would sit at home and complain on Facebook how there wasn't any jobs. I made a few calls and found him a job on boats. $60k the first year, very little overhead, and in 5 years if he did what he was supposed to he could have been in six figures. Nope, refused to move.
You are right about there being limited funds, but people aren't prioritizing what they truely value. People can change the communities they live in, or they can move places they need to, they just have to make it a priority. But first they have to accept the problem, decide to fix it, make a plan and then act.
"Don't tell me what you value. Show me your budget, and I'll tell you what you value." ~VP Joe Biden quoting his Dad.
Dr. Hess wrote:bigdaddylee82 wrote: So you're telling me they don't all carry sub machine guns? Way to ruin the dream.When I was going through Heathrow, they did NOT carry submachine guns. They carried assault rifles (REAL assault rifles) "at the ready" like they were on patrol in Afghanistan.
China had soldiers everywhere with AK-47s in the airports.
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