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ncjay
ncjay SuperDork
4/13/16 4:16 p.m.

Am I too early for the car show?

Hungary Bill
Hungary Bill GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/13/16 4:20 p.m.
WilD wrote: This thread has suddenly made me acutely aware I have never owned a car with more than ~210 horsepower...

It's ok buddy. I've been there

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UltimaDork
4/13/16 4:30 p.m.

Last october, I spun 3 generations of mustangs at our last auto-x event. A brand new 5.0, a 2013 V6 and a 2005 4.6. I BELONG in a mustang apparently.

NOHOME
NOHOME PowerDork
4/13/16 4:36 p.m.

How did he get over the pool?

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/13/16 4:37 p.m.
NOHOME wrote: How did he get over the pool?

That's where the horsepower comes in.

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte SuperDork
4/13/16 4:38 p.m.

In reply to NOHOME: Fishtail?

ddavidv
ddavidv PowerDork
4/13/16 5:01 p.m.

I drive a Mustang and I'm glad the memes are coming fast and strong. The douche element of Mustang owners has been getting away with being moronic for too long. I'd never attend Mustang week just based on the video idiocy.

By buying the V6 S197 I don't even have the temptation to try any of that crap. And thats a good thing.

fasted58
fasted58 UltimaDork
4/13/16 5:12 p.m.

Understood how power, noise and the rush can get to ya but as long as you keep your 'adult hat' on there should be few if any issues on public roads if you're being responsible. Take it to the track if ya wanna get the E36 M3 on.

XLR99
XLR99 HalfDork
4/13/16 6:20 p.m.

Anyone else seeing these berkleytard videos made into a montage on 60 Minutes and/or one of the ambulance chaser law firm ads?

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
4/13/16 6:34 p.m.
ultraclyde wrote: Oh, I agree that there are also rich idiots. It's just that statistically there are much fewer of them. When only 10% of the population can afford a car capable of these feats of asshattery there are much fewer wrecks than when 75% of the population can afford it. Arguably 20 years ago the amount of money required to purchase dangerous levels of HP was much higher, and therefore the number of idiot/HP crashes were lower simply because fewer people could afford the power. In 1995 435HP Mustangs were pretty rare. In 2015 every single GT sold had 435HP.

In 2015 you're also going to spend, what, $40k for that new GT?

I don't think having money (or at least good credit) absolves you from being an idiot. I have a sneaking suspiscion that it makes you more of an idiot. Or at least, insensitive to the loss.

What was the statistic for the number of 911 Turbos totaled within a month of ownership? How about all of the imagery we see posted regarding wrecked exotics?

I think the main takeaway is, a lot of people who like fast cars but are unimaginative enough to buy NEW fast cars are also not very bright behind the wheel...

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
4/13/16 6:35 p.m.

Jim the hammer shapiro..

https://youtu.be/Q5hn8bhEpMY

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
4/13/16 6:37 p.m.

Incidentally, I saw a statistic somewhere that the highest volume selling sports/performance car in Germany right now is the... anyone? anyone? Relevant to this thread... anyone?

joey48442
joey48442 PowerDork
4/13/16 7:53 p.m.
Knurled wrote: Incidentally, I saw a statistic somewhere that the highest volume selling sports/performance car in Germany right now is the... anyone? anyone? Relevant to this thread... anyone?

Camaro?

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
4/13/16 8:02 p.m.

Nope. Mustang. Apparently inside of every German is an American trying to get out.

travellering
travellering Reader
4/13/16 8:09 p.m.
Appleseed wrote: Nope. Mustang. Apparently inside of every German is an American trying to get out.

Sideways...

crankwalk
crankwalk GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/13/16 8:37 p.m.

The snap oversteer in the opposite direction on these Mustang videos leaving a car show is crazy.

Mustang owners: Buy a Cobra with IRS. The life you save could be your own.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/13/16 8:49 p.m.
crankwalk wrote: The snap oversteer in the opposite direction on these Mustang videos leaving a car show is crazy. Mustang owners: Buy a Cobra with IRS. The life you save could be your own.

All the IRS in the world won't help if you can't drive to start with. Even more true with lots of torque, lots of horsepower, and limited slip diffs.

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
4/13/16 8:59 p.m.
crankwalk wrote: The snap oversteer in the opposite direction on these Mustang videos leaving a car show is crazy. Mustang owners: Buy a Cobra with IRS. The life you save could be your own.

Any time you get sideways due to tirespin, and you are going forwards, the world is gonna end when the tires grab unless you're pointed straight.

This is why you never, ever lift in oversteer. If the oversteer is due to weight transfer, lifting will make it worse. If the oversteer is due to you overpowering the tires, lifting will send you the other direction. Either way, accelerating is the way to safety.

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte SuperDork
4/13/16 8:59 p.m.

Laguna Seca edition? Bueller?

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/13/16 10:47 p.m.

As noted in the GRM mustang build thread.. going for more power is reaching for the low hanging fruit. I think most of those drivers can only afford the low fruit or have picked that part of the tree clean.

I think in many ways, I am the lone man out around here.. very few times have I wished for more power.. more braking, more handling, less weight, but rarely more power. If I can squeak the wheels off the line, I have enough

Nick (LUCAS) Comstock
Nick (LUCAS) Comstock UltimaDork
4/13/16 11:18 p.m.
crankwalk wrote: The snap oversteer in the opposite direction on these Mustang videos leaving a car show is crazy. Mustang owners: Buy a Cobra with IRS. The life you save could be your own.

I've been full opposite lock many, many times in various solid rear axle vehicles. I don't think the solid rear axle is the problem.

Honestly, I always thought (having never driven one so I can't say for sure) that the biggest reason the Mustang isn't very forgiving is the short wheelbase. Combine that with lots of power and lack of talent and you get this. It's certainly not limited to Mustangs, it's just a lot of fun to make fun of mustang guy.

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
4/14/16 6:03 a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miA5qj5ergM Not even a high powered car, just a passenger in the driver's seat. (Thanks Keith for that verbal shorthand!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tyRVj7RYgg Must be the really short wheelbase.

The problem isn't the car, the problem is non driving skilled meatheads, which also seems to have a high correlation with the set of people who think doing burnouts is awesome.

Nick (LUCAS) Comstock
Nick (LUCAS) Comstock UltimaDork
4/14/16 7:25 a.m.

In reply to Knurled:

Idiots can wreck anything. Am I wrong in that the mustang has a reputation of being easy to swap ends? Seems to me that has been the case, at least since the fox body was introduced.

ultraclyde
ultraclyde GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/14/16 8:33 a.m.
Nick (LUCAS) Comstock wrote: In reply to Knurled: Idiots can wreck anything. Am I wrong in that the mustang has a reputation of being easy to swap ends? Seems to me that has been the case, at least since the fox body was introduced.

It does but I think this is more the result of what it is (higher powered, RWD, relatively SWB) than anything specifically Mustang. Also a used Mustang is often the first fast car someone drives when moving up from low power cars.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt PowerDork
4/14/16 9:00 a.m.
NOHOME wrote: How did he get over the pool?

I missed the pool at first glance, but it takes the bad driving to a whole new level. It looks as if he may have had a Dukes of Hazard moment. That would also explain what happened to the patio roof.

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