Meet the Mazda MX-5 RF

David S.
By David S. Wallens
Mar 22, 2016 | Mazda

Meet the latest addition to the MX-5 family.

Before last tonight’s reveal, the rumor mill was operating at full speed: Was Mazda going to show off a fastback or folding hardtop version of their beloved MX-5?

Answer: both.

Meet the MX-5 RF—short for retractable fastback—and holy cow is it beautiful. Where the old MX-5 PRHT was practical, this one adds some serious looks to the program. Suddenly the MX-5 has moved upmarket.

Trunk space remains the same, and North American cars will feature the Skyactiv-G 2.0-liter four cylinder. We’re told that Mazda will start taking orders this summer. More details, including price, to come.

Here’s video of the RF’s debut last night:

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Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
3/22/16 10:45 p.m.

I like it and

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/22/16 10:47 p.m.

It's beautiful--like, after the crowd thinned, I just stood there and watched it go around.

Look for a video of the top operation tomorrow.

Mitchell
Mitchell UberDork
3/22/16 10:50 p.m.

swoon

G_Body_Man
G_Body_Man Dork
3/22/16 10:57 p.m.

The Canadian website has a bunch of top up/top down comparison shots that, sadly, aren't hotlinkable.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/22/16 10:59 p.m.

We'll have a load more photos and video tomorrow morning.

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing Reader
3/22/16 11:04 p.m.

Some somebodies at Mazda deserve a raise.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/22/16 11:05 p.m.
WildScotsRacing wrote: Some somebodies at Mazda deserve a raise.

Totally. And a cookie.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/22/16 11:12 p.m.

HOtlinked from the Mazda Canada website:

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/22/16 11:14 p.m.

And here's the coolest part of tonight: I got a lead on a Miata story that, should it all pan out, will be pretty darn killer.

I have said too much.

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/22/16 11:19 p.m.
David S. Wallens wrote: And here's the coolest part of tonight: I got a lead on a Miata story that, should it all pan out, will be pretty darn killer. I have said too much.

If you could monetize the frustration you just caused in me with that comment, you'd be able to have your decedents live comfortably off the interest revenue alone for generations to come.

Mitchell
Mitchell UberDork
3/22/16 11:23 p.m.

That settles it. Totally going to the NY auto show this weekend, where maybe I'll be able to get within 100 feet of it. If the top could be operated around freezing temps, I bet it would be excellent on nice winter days with the top down and the windows up. I love putting my NC's top down all the way to the minimum operable temp of 40 degrees. Those buttresses probably add a nice buffer against the wind.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse Dork
3/23/16 12:33 a.m.

That. Is. Sex. Too bad "RF" doesn't stand for "rotary fun"

NordicSaab
NordicSaab Reader
3/23/16 5:33 a.m.

Who...Do...I...Give...My...Money...To...?

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed SuperDork
3/23/16 5:43 a.m.

Any idea when it will actually be available? Likely as a 2017?

Edit: Ok I see in your original post. Missed it the first time through. I am too eager.

Storz
Storz Dork
3/23/16 5:53 a.m.

gunner
gunner GRM+ Memberand Reader
3/23/16 6:07 a.m.

Today I learned what my next car will be once the kids are out of the house. Just wow!

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed SuperDork
3/23/16 6:11 a.m.

A post on the Miata forum states that in the press package it indicates it will be automatic only in some markets. Please tell me that's not true in the States! It will be a deal breaker for me after getting my hopes up!

NickD
NickD HalfDork
3/23/16 6:14 a.m.
Feedyurhed wrote: A post on the Miata forum states that in the press package it indicates it will be automatic only in some markets. Please tell me that's not true in the States! It will be a deal breaker for me after getting my hopes up!

Ugh, that'd be awful. Who in their right mind would even buy an automatic Miata anyways?

The car looks cool, although honestly I'm not a fan of it with the top down. I don't particularly like targa tops, don't know why, they always look cheap/half-@$$ed to me.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 6:14 a.m.

That is not how I expected stuff to happen. It seems needlessly complex, but I still like the way that it looks when it's all closed up.

Six months ago, I swore that I was done with Miatas. I'm not sure where I stand on the subject right now.

Storz
Storz Dork
3/23/16 6:17 a.m.
Woody wrote: *That* is not how I expected stuff to happen. It seems needlessly complex, but I still like the way that it looks when it's all closed up. Six months ago, I swore that I was done with Miatas. I'm not sure where I stand on the subject right now.

Very Porsche like

einy
einy Reader
3/23/16 6:18 a.m.

Oh, hell yea !!! I didn't expect this .... !!!

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 6:20 a.m.

In reply to Storz:

Yes, and looks expensive too.

captdownshift
captdownshift GRM+ Memberand UberDork
3/23/16 6:32 a.m.

In reply to Woody:

I don't know, fewer folding bits then a normal folding hard top, but 2 more hydraulic ram arms and a larger seam. The thing that I'm curious about is chassis rigidity, how much stiffer is the already fantastic and responsive chassis. If it's a good 20%+ stiffer then the suspension can be stiffened, more tire fitted, grip can be increased without sacrificing turn in response.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
3/23/16 6:36 a.m.

We already know you can increase the stiffness on the Miata a LOT before you need to worry about the chassis. Mazda makes the Miata move the way it does on purpose.
Good god that's a pretty car.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed SuperDork
3/23/16 6:41 a.m.
Storz wrote:
Woody wrote: *That* is not how I expected stuff to happen. It seems needlessly complex, but I still like the way that it looks when it's all closed up. Six months ago, I swore that I was done with Miatas. I'm not sure where I stand on the subject right now.
Very Porsche like

At a third or quarter of the price!

Klayfish
Klayfish UberDork
3/23/16 6:45 a.m.

I know I'm alone on this one, but my response is: meh. Not that I dislike it, because it's sharp looking. And I've been drunk on Miata cool-aid for years...I've owned 4 or 5 of them, and would love to have another. But for me, part of the Miata's charm has always been that it's a convertible and has a ridiculously easy to use soft top. So the hard top stuff doesn't do much for me. Given a choice between this new model and the traditional one, I'd take the soft top 10 out of 10 times.

NOHOME
NOHOME PowerDork
3/23/16 7:34 a.m.

This is probably the most satisfying bit of disappointment I have experienced in a while. I said I would be disappointed if it was just a folding hardtop. But this is somehow so much more even though I realize that it is essentially just a folding hardtop...go figure.

If I can still crawl into a sportscar when I am done with the FRS, I will go looking for a used one south of the border. I suspect that here in Canada this model is going to break $60,000 by the time it is in the driveway. Weak dollar, lower volumes and 13% sales tax sucks.

Snrub
Snrub Reader
3/23/16 8:16 a.m.

^ I suspect more like $50k in arctic pesos.

I think the regular ND is an attractive car. I'm surprised this looks so much nicer!

Ed Higginbotham
Ed Higginbotham Editorial Assistant
3/23/16 8:17 a.m.

Video added of the RF doing its thing at the debut last night:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/EBtaGLN70AQ

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
3/23/16 8:25 a.m.

So........a targa top with the added complexity of a folding hardtop?

Seems just a fixed roof is what many are clamoring for and would be cheaper, easier, and allow more storage space with a stiffer chassis.

In reality, don't really care either way since I'm not in the market for one.

kanaric
kanaric Dork
3/23/16 8:26 a.m.

i like the shape, if this had a fixed roof i would consider this.

All i'm doing now is looking over to Fiat and saying "and yours?" to them.

Dashpot
Dashpot Reader
3/23/16 8:28 a.m.
Feedyurhed wrote:
Storz wrote:
Woody wrote: *That* is not how I expected stuff to happen. It seems needlessly complex, but I still like the way that it looks when it's all closed up. Six months ago, I swore that I was done with Miatas. I'm not sure where I stand on the subject right now.
Very Porsche like
At a third or quarter of the price!

Don't forget the back window disappears in the Miata too. Be interesting to see what the difference is in cockpit wind buffeting.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 9:07 a.m.

I don't want the Porsche Targa at all, but I'd consider the Miata. I'd want it more if it were a true hardtop/hatchback or a simple targa.

I've had three Miatas, and I've removed the entire soft top assembly and bolted hardtops onto two of them. I don't need the sun beating down on me when I'm driving.

I just hope that it's easier to mount a race seat into than it was in my other Miatas. I hate harness bars, but I may have to trust the Mazda engineers to make that targa bar strong enough. It doesn't look like a roll bar is going to be an option, as it would be with a coupe.

BanzaiBeast
BanzaiBeast New Reader
3/23/16 12:40 p.m.

The color of the car is perfect! The way the top works is pretty cool, the car looks great in any configuration.

The mainstream market probably demands folding hardtop to operate this way. I'm glad the designers keep the buttress section exposed.

I think I would rather have it as a hardtop coupe or a manually removed targa to save weight. Mazda has made a lot of good decisions without my input, they're probably right on this one too!

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 2:22 p.m.
Woody wrote: I don't want the Porsche Targa at all, but I'd consider the Miata. I'd want it more if it were a true hardtop/hatchback or a simple targa. I've had three Miatas, and I've removed the entire soft top assembly and bolted hardtops onto two of them. I don't need the sun beating down on me when I'm driving. I just hope that it's easier to mount a race seat into than it was in my other Miatas. I hate harness bars, but I may have to trust the Mazda engineers to make that targa bar strong enough. It doesn't look like a roll bar is going to be an option, as it would be with a coupe.

Based on our install for our SEMA car - no easier than other Miatas. It's not a big car.

Given that the targa bar is not solidly attached to the car, I think it's fair to assume it's completely non-structural.

racerdave600
racerdave600 SuperDork
3/23/16 2:28 p.m.

That makes me rethink my entire ND stance. I'd actually take a look at that when I'm done with the BRZ. It does look good. These days I simply do not want a convertible, and like Woody, I typically bolt on the hardtop, so short of a Miata with a fixed roof, this would be the next best thing.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
3/23/16 2:34 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: Given that the targa bar is not solidly attached to the car, I think it's fair to assume it's completely non-structural.

In some of the pictures you can see the roll hoops that look the same as in the convertible. I doubt Mazda would leave those in if they were not necessary.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 2:36 p.m.

I run a permanently installed hardtop on my daily driver NA because the sun here is wicked. Interestingly, when I bring home the shop NC PRHT or ND, I find I'll often drop the top. I never do on the NA or NBs when I bring them home.

chriswadsworth
chriswadsworth New Reader
3/23/16 2:39 p.m.

I would rather have the hard top. I have no soft top in my NA anymore just a Harddog and a hard top that usually stays in place.

irish44j
irish44j UltimaDork
3/23/16 3:37 p.m.
Woody wrote: *That* is not how I expected stuff to happen. It seems needlessly complex, but I still like the way that it looks when it's all closed up. Six months ago, I swore that I was done with Miatas. I'm not sure where I stand on the subject right now.

exactly what I thought. I mean, a targa top isn't very heavy especially if made of lightweight material. Would much prefer something manual than all that weight and stuff that could break to do what should be a simple task. That single image has tempered my initial high interest in this car, because it's just stupid.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
3/23/16 3:47 p.m.

With the back glass gone isn't it going to feel more like an open car with a roll bar than a traditional targa?

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
3/23/16 4:05 p.m.

Yeah that isn't fastback. No sloped glass. Looks like the flying buttress off of a Gen 2 MR2 with removable glass like a Del Sol

Mind you none of that is bad. I like the way it looks. I think it will kill in sales.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 4:06 p.m.

Everyone keeps saying MR2 and Del Sol. Nobody says 308...

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing Reader
3/23/16 4:30 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: Everyone keeps saying MR2 and Del Sol. Nobody says 308...

Hah, you're right! Mazda should offer it in bright solid red, and give you a free Tommy Bahama shirt to go with it

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
3/23/16 4:33 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: Everyone keeps saying MR2 and Del Sol. Nobody says 308...

308 didn't have a dropping back glass did it? I know the Del Sol did.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 4:48 p.m.

I'm more interested in the flying buttresses than in the minutiae of how the rear window worked in this case

LuxInterior
LuxInterior HalfDork
3/23/16 4:49 p.m.

Keith, I see the similarity to the 308 -- especially with the black window section of the 'fast back'. But the proportions of the Ferrari, with its huge overhangs -- it's very different than the ND. I don't think most people will see it. For most people, targa roof, short overhangs = Del Sol.

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing Reader
3/23/16 5:00 p.m.

In reply to LuxInterior:

So, it's a baby 308.

LuxInterior
LuxInterior HalfDork
3/23/16 5:17 p.m.
WildScotsRacing wrote: In reply to LuxInterior: So, it's a baby 308.

Uh no. It's not a baby 308. That's a different car.

chiodos
chiodos Dork
3/23/16 5:19 p.m.
Ed Higginbotham wrote: Video added of the RF doing its thing at the debut last night: https://www.youtube.com/embed/EBtaGLN70AQ

That was a really weak response from the crowd. Kind of disappointing, i would have been the loudest one there i suppose, thats probably why i don't get to go to these things.

Someone said auto only in select markets, i hope we are not one! Who in their right mind buys an automatic miata? Id be happy if they built as many auto 1.6 na's as auto nd's. Seriously people, sports cars have 3 pedals.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 5:30 p.m.

The crowd was journalists. They're probably squeezing the Mazda reveal in between Rolls Royce and the new Lamborghini Adventisditadoration. Jaaaaaaaded.

The card at the auto show apparently gives the spec as being an automatic, but it also seems to indicate that's the spec of the car on display. I would be very, very, very surprised if it was AT only. Mazda knows this is a sports car.

Specs have not yet been released as far as I know. If you ever want solid info, just look at the Mazda press releases (one click from the front page of mazdausa.com). Anything else on the internet is of questionable provenance and accuracy.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/23/16 5:44 p.m.
LuxInterior wrote: Keith, I see the similarity to the 308 -- especially with the black window section of the 'fast back'. But the proportions of the Ferrari, with its huge overhangs -- it's very different than the ND. I don't think most people will see it. For most people, targa roof, short overhangs = Del Sol.

It's not about "it totally looks like", I'm talking about cars that fly their buttresses. The Ferrari 308 (and its even sexier 288 GTO cousin) is a gorgeous example. Sure, the Miata is a little more close-coupled, but it's a lot sleeker than the Honda. That little fake rear window in the Miata is also found on the Ferraris.

I think it's a question of age. The Del Sol is a more recent car, so if you're about 10 years younger than I it might have been a relevant vehicle to you. Personally, I've always found them highly unremarkable in just about every way.

The first car that came to mind when I saw the Miata was the Jaguar XJ-S. Probably because a family member owned one in the same color as the Miata.

Fly them buttresses!

The elephant in the room...

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
3/23/16 5:56 p.m.

I said Fiero right after the reveal!
Also:

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/23/16 8:34 p.m.
Feedyurhed wrote: At a third or quarter of the price!

And a third of the horsepower. :)

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
3/23/16 9:20 p.m.

I don't care, still damn sexy

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/23/16 10:59 p.m.

The room totally erupted right after the shot ended. It was epic. I threw a chair.

Brian
Brian MegaDork
3/24/16 7:05 a.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

Well, I'm 13 year younger than you and a clean Del Sol is my perfect DD. Modern cars would be a toss up between a non-hybrid CR-Z(if it existed) and the RF. I could go over to RWD in the snow for that.

Back the the comparison between a Del Sol and the RF, they are both hardtop targas. The lines and design language are completely different to me.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
3/24/16 8:22 a.m.

Sooooooooo..............did I miss in the thread how much heavier this is than the standard car?

Snrub
Snrub Reader
3/24/16 8:27 a.m.

^ According to MT, the additional weight will be more than 170lbs, less than 200lbs. http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-mazda-mx-5-rf-debuts-new-york-power-targa-roof/

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
3/24/16 8:36 a.m.

In reply to Snrub:

so it's like having one wife or two girlfriends riding with you permanently...

I am so glad my wife doesn't read this board.

Opti
Opti HalfDork
3/24/16 8:57 a.m.

Front...yes thank you

Rear....no

Side....FR-S did it better.

Take one over an frs any day of the week though

Fupdiggity
Fupdiggity New Reader
3/24/16 9:08 a.m.
Snrub wrote: ^ According to MT, the additional weight will be more than 170lbs, less than 200lbs. http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-mazda-mx-5-rf-debuts-new-york-power-targa-roof/

The way I read it was it weighs more than the 170 lbs of the previous hard top but less than 200. Since the previous one added 40ish lbs after the soft top weight was removed, this could add 40 to 70lbs relative to the base car. Not bad at all if I'm interpreting this correct.

I don't get too excited about new cars since I'm cheap, but this has me pretty tight in the pants.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/24/16 9:08 a.m.
Snrub wrote: ^ According to MT, the additional weight will be more than 170lbs, less than 200lbs. http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-mazda-mx-5-rf-debuts-new-york-power-targa-roof/

And cnet says 110, which I find a much more plausible number. The PRHT added 80 lbs to the NC.

As always, we'll have to wait for info from credible sources.

STM317
STM317 Reader
3/24/16 9:17 a.m.
Flight Service wrote: In reply to Snrub: so it's like having one wife or two girlfriends riding with you permanently...

Your girlfriends are either really skinny, or you're into midgets, and I'm not talking about the MGBs here.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
3/24/16 9:25 a.m.
NickD wrote:
Feedyurhed wrote: A post on the Miata forum states that in the press package it indicates it will be automatic only in some markets. Please tell me that's not true in the States! It will be a deal breaker for me after getting my hopes up!
Ugh, that'd be awful. Who in their right mind would even buy an automatic Miata anyways?

A) This is the kind of beancounter-driven option-packaging crap that completely incenses me about the automotive industry. They take completely unrelated parts and make Option 2 require Package A, even though there is no apparent connection at all. I assume it has to do with limiting the number of configurations, or the number of type certifications they need to go through for export. Acura did it with the TSX wagon - automatic only, even though the sedan was mechanically identical under the skin.

That being said, 2 points:

1) I've heard from numerous sources that the later NC and ND cars are actually still tons of fun to drive with an automatic. Much better than the NA/NB version.

2) If I buy one of these, it will be for DW anyway, and she's not a manual fan. Can't wait to see what they're asking for them in a year or two.

Kreb
Kreb GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
3/24/16 9:33 a.m.

Automatics serve a very important function to the enthusiast: When these guys are 10-15 years old and our cheap asses start actually buying them, the automatics will have been treated less harshly than the manuals and will be ideal candidates for a manual swap

JamesMcD
JamesMcD Dork
3/24/16 9:35 a.m.

Some of the fancy official photos appear to show the roof up while the rear glass is down or otherwise missing, somehow. Other photos show the roof up with the glass in place (you can see the rear defrost lines). Are the roof-up-glass-down photos doctored, or can you lower the rear glass while the roof is in place?

Fupdiggity
Fupdiggity New Reader
3/24/16 9:48 a.m.
Keith Tanner wrote:
Snrub wrote: ^ According to MT, the additional weight will be more than 170lbs, less than 200lbs. http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-mazda-mx-5-rf-debuts-new-york-power-targa-roof/
And cnet says 110, which I find a much more plausible number. The PRHT added 80 lbs to the NC. As always, we'll have to wait for info from credible sources.

Ahhh, 80lbs added on the old PRHT, not 40. My bad. That falls right in line with the 200lb quoted weight if the last PRHT weight 170.

Stefan (Not Bruce)
Stefan (Not Bruce) MegaDork
3/24/16 9:53 a.m.
Duke wrote:
NickD wrote:
Feedyurhed wrote: A post on the Miata forum states that in the press package it indicates it will be automatic only in some markets. Please tell me that's not true in the States! It will be a deal breaker for me after getting my hopes up!
Ugh, that'd be awful. Who in their right mind would even buy an automatic Miata anyways?
A) This is the kind of beancounter-driven option-packaging crap that completely incenses me about the automotive industry. They take completely unrelated parts and make Option 2 *require* Package A, even though there is no apparent connection at all. I assume it has to do with limiting the number of configurations, or the number of type certifications they need to go through for export. Acura did it with the TSX wagon - automatic only, even though the sedan was mechanically *identical* under the skin. That being said, 2 points: 1) I've heard from numerous sources that the later NC and ND cars are actually still tons of fun to drive with an automatic. Much better than the NA/NB version. 2) If I buy one of these, it will be for DW anyway, and she's not a manual fan. Can't wait to see what they're asking for them in a year or two.

I've driven a NC equipped with an automatic and I enjoyed it. Double clutch style downshifts via the steering wheel buttons or the shifter, gear changes were held until redline or until you punched the button for the next gear. 6 real gears so highway cruising and in town acceleration was great. The ability to crawl along in traffic without constantly abusing the clutch? Priceless.

Oh and did I mention the torque multiplication and the ability to essentially power brake the car at center of the corner to really launch it at corner exit? No? Yeah that's pretty nice for autocross.

Case in point: My old Auto-equipped Sundance Turbo was a much better autocross car compared to my manual equipped CSX. Both were essentially the same cars underneath. My Uncle built a DSP Omni with an automatic and a very tall final drive and did quite well with it and those only had 3 gears and no lockup (he only used 1st most of the time to avoid shifts and help keep the boost up). The trade off with the Sundance was that it didn't have enough gearing for the highway so it droned. Badly. If it had a more modern automatic then it would have been a much better all around car.

Don't believe me? Go drive an automatic NC or ND. Really drive one.

That said, for attacking a mountain road with no traffic? A manual is still damned nice, but those situations are so few and far between in the modern world that it is hard to justify compromising the car for 90% of its use.

Brian
Brian MegaDork
3/24/16 4:17 p.m.

The more I look at it, under current life circumstances, this is the new top pick for next DD. I'm sure it would be fine in snow with proper tires.

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/24/16 4:29 p.m.

Not to mention automatics are good for people who can't drive manuals any longer.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/24/16 5:34 p.m.

Again, look at the source. A post on Miata.net. Their source? A placard that gives the specs of the car on display.

Mazda hasn't released any info about option packages or transmission options. The PRHT came as a stick. As the Club package, it was quite popular. So it would amaze me if the ND was any different.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed SuperDork
3/24/16 6:53 p.m.
JamesMcD wrote: Some of the fancy official photos appear to show the roof up while the rear glass is down or otherwise missing, somehow. Other photos show the roof up with the glass in place (you can see the rear defrost lines). Are the roof-up-glass-down photos doctored, or can you lower the rear glass while the roof is in place?

Multiple posts seem to indicate that the rear window can be lowered while keeping the top up. I believe I even saw something from Mazda stating that fact but now I can't find it. This is the internet though. Can anybody jump in here and confirm??

Snrub
Snrub Reader
3/24/16 7:02 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote:
Snrub wrote: ^ According to MT, the additional weight will be more than 170lbs, less than 200lbs. http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-mazda-mx-5-rf-debuts-new-york-power-targa-roof/
And cnet says 110, which I find a much more plausible number. The PRHT added 80 lbs to the NC. As always, we'll have to wait for info from credible sources.

Re-reading the MT article they don't refer to additional weight, they're referring to total weight. That might mean the additional weight is 170-200 minus whatever the soft top weighs. The big car mags usually have fairly credible info on near release products. IMO it's phrased like they were pushing someone from mazda for an answer and they received a rough, not 100% specific answer.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/24/16 7:03 p.m.

I think we're going to have to task one of the GRM staff (if there are still any at the show) to either comb the interior for a rear window switch or ask someone from Mazda. To me, it doesn't look like the mechanism would allow it. But that second picture sure looks like it.

JamesMcD
JamesMcD Dork
3/24/16 7:26 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I think we're going to have to task one of the GRM staff (if there are still any at the show) to either comb the interior for a rear window switch or ask someone from Mazda. To me, it doesn't look like the mechanism would allow it. But that second picture sure looks like it.

Standing by...

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed SuperDork
3/24/16 8:58 p.m.

I did see on Mazdas site that the top roof panels can either be black or color match the rest of the car. That may be common knowledge but I hadn't heard it before.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
3/25/16 9:08 a.m.

I bet the image where appears to be no window is computer generated that's why you can't see it.

mblommel
mblommel HalfDork
3/25/16 10:05 a.m.

In reply to Feedyurhed:

I think it'll look even better with those panels in body color.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/25/16 11:57 a.m.
Feedyurhed wrote:
JamesMcD wrote: Some of the fancy official photos appear to show the roof up while the rear glass is down or otherwise missing, somehow. Other photos show the roof up with the glass in place (you can see the rear defrost lines). Are the roof-up-glass-down photos doctored, or can you lower the rear glass while the roof is in place?
Multiple posts seem to indicate that the rear window can be lowered while keeping the top up. I believe I even saw something from Mazda stating that fact but now I can't find it. This is the internet though. Can anybody jump in here and confirm??

Mazda Oz has the car online. http://www.mazda.com.au/cars/mazda-mx-5-rf/

On that page is the following text that seems to indicate the rear window can be dropped:

(please read in Strine)

Mazda MX-5 RF is coming. This Retractable Fastback brings a stunning new level of design and excitement with an innovative hardtop.

The roof slopes down to the rear, with the retractable back window offering a new open-air driving experience. It can be opened or closed at speeds of up to 10km/h with the press of a button.

Once open, the roof is stowed compactly and efficiently in a limited space and offers the same amount of boot space as the soft-top model.

From the press release:

(also in Strine) The MX-5 RF features fastback styling with a smooth roofline that slopes down to the rear end, and its unique rear roof and retractable back window offer a new open-air feeling.
JamesMcD
JamesMcD Dork
3/25/16 2:53 p.m.

A retractable rear window really sweetens the package IMO.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/25/16 3:00 p.m.

For all those NA owners who like driving with the top up and the window unzipped It's basically a bikini top.

mblommel
mblommel HalfDork
3/25/16 3:54 p.m.

In reply to JamesMcD:

I don't see how the rear window would be able to retract with the top up. It just doesn't look possible with the way the top mechanism appears to work.

noddaz
noddaz GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/27/16 12:19 p.m.

I hate to see what happens to one of these cars that takes a solid shot in either 1/4 panel. (Or rear). Getting all that stuff to line back up and operate properly would be a nightmare.

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 SuperDork
3/27/16 5:42 p.m.

In reply to noddaz: convert it to a soft top?

mblommel
mblommel HalfDork
3/27/16 5:55 p.m.

In reply to noddaz:

That's what insurance is for. The inherent awesomeness of the MX-5 RF makes me want one regardless.

CarLava
CarLava New Reader
3/27/16 10:00 p.m.
Trackmouse wrote: That. Is. Sex. Too bad "RF" doesn't stand for "rotary fun"

haha totally agree with ya

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/30/16 4:33 p.m.

Let me ask about the rear window, but considering that the RF's mechanism is similar to the NC hardtop's, I doubt that just the rear window can be opened.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/30/16 5:18 p.m.

EVO magazine specifically said that it can be lowered, so let's hope they're correct. It would be some really interesting engineering if so.

We're counting on you for truthiness, David.

Mitchell
Mitchell UberDork
3/30/16 6:19 p.m.

Watching the top being dropped in person, I don't see how it could be lowered with the top up. The top lowering & window folding back and flat appeared to be an interrelated movement.

For what it's worth, I asked the woman on stage if it was possible to retract just the rear window, and she said no.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/30/16 6:32 p.m.

I'm wondering if it can be dropped straight down. Can't see how, but between the photos that seem to show it down and both direct statements that it can be done as well as implied statements in the Mazda press releases, I want an authoritative answer from a credible source. Booth babes, as fun as they are, may not meet that criteria.

mblommel
mblommel HalfDork
3/30/16 6:51 p.m.

I guess we won't know for sure until FM gets one. I'm really interested to see what the weight difference is going to be. If it's close to what we saw with the NC PRHT It will be difficult to refuse the RF!

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/30/16 7:08 p.m.

I don't believe FM has plans to buy one at this point. It's a very cool top, but not one we need to have in the fleet for R&D purposes. I have to say that I'm personally quite interested though No interest in the Fiat, but this thing pushes my buttons.

mblommel
mblommel HalfDork
3/30/16 7:18 p.m.

I had just assumed one would turn up early on over there.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/30/16 7:23 p.m.

From a friend at Mazda:

"The rear window is only open when the roof is down. They function on the same motor and cannot operate independently of one another."

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
3/30/16 7:31 p.m.

Go ask some booth babes just to make sure. We're counting on you David. For the board.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed SuperDork
3/31/16 6:10 a.m.
David S. Wallens wrote: From a friend at Mazda: "The rear window is only open when the roof is down. They function on the same motor and cannot operate independently of one another."

Problem solved. Thanks.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/31/16 9:49 a.m.

Well poop. Thanks for that, David.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/31/16 9:51 a.m.
mazdeuce wrote: Go ask some booth babes just to make sure. We're counting on you David. For the board.

We appreciate your sacrifice.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/31/16 10:55 a.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: Well poop. Thanks for that, David.

Now it's up to the aftermarket to come up with a solution.

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