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Was the C7 Corvette awesome? In a word: Yes. Will the C8 Corvette be more awesome? That's the question, and hopefully we'll find out tonight when Chevrolet officially unveils the new car at 7:50 p.m. Pacific.

The biggest C8 news we've heard so far is that it will be mid-engined. If you think this move comes without controversy, then we'd like to rent space under the rock you came from. Why the debate? We suppose it's a bit like taking apple pie and pairing it with ice cream. Is it objectively better? Sure, but the apple pie purists will hate it. The C8 Corvette is no different: the purists want a front-engined sports car with a V8 powering the rear wheels. And while Ford got away with V6-swapping the Ford GT, we're not sure Corvette enthusiasts will be so forgiving.

We recently discussed the C8's steering wheel with our forum and, if the number of responses is anything to go by, the C8 is definitely going to make some waves. 

We've sent our own J.G. Pasterjak to witness the unveiling in person, so he'll be live-streaming as much of it as possible from our own perspective. Keep an eye on our Facebook page to see his updates. To get the corporate line, make sure you watch the official Chevrolet stream below:

 

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mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise HalfDork
7/18/19 3:42 p.m.

Interior

 

 

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/18/19 3:48 p.m.

NickD
NickD PowerDork
7/18/19 3:51 p.m.

Hold on, gotta go dig out my jorts and knee socks

secretariata
secretariata SuperDork
7/18/19 4:21 p.m.

Passenger is definitely a second class citizen...

noddaz
noddaz SuperDork
7/18/19 5:31 p.m.

Nah.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle SuperDork
7/18/19 5:33 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:

Interior

 

 

That straight line of... buttons. Yikes. 

NickD
NickD PowerDork
7/18/19 5:44 p.m.

DartHollywood
DartHollywood None
7/18/19 6:26 p.m.

Whoa, GM!

How do you expect me to 'sell' my wife or girlfriend on this interior???

There goes Date Night!  angry

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson MegaDork
7/18/19 6:28 p.m.

Won’t hating it. Wait until you see it in person before passing judgment. I bet it will look fine in the flesh, well plastic anyway. 

RevRico
RevRico PowerDork
7/18/19 6:32 p.m.

Worst birthday present ever.

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
7/18/19 6:39 p.m.

Where is the shifter???

RossD
RossD MegaDork
7/18/19 6:39 p.m.

In reply to RevRico :

Happy Birthday Rev!

Speedboater
Speedboater
7/18/19 6:45 p.m.

The Nurburgring will tell all.

 

danvan
danvan Reader
7/18/19 7:01 p.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

That can't be real 

Donatello
Donatello New Reader
7/18/19 7:42 p.m.

Interior lines kinda remind me of japanese cars from the mid 1980s. Different just to be different. Is not different to be more beauty. Looks like the seats will have some hip bolsters, though. 

But who really cares? If you are driving a corvette like it is meant to be driven you are not looking at the interior. Hopefully GRM can get their hands on one for a test drive soon.

mlprater
mlprater New Reader
7/18/19 7:43 p.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

The weirder something seems, the higher the potential for it to endure and become iconic.  The designers know this, so that's why they go weird.  Sometimes you go off the rails, but I bet this becomes a beloved interior over time.

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise HalfDork
7/18/19 7:58 p.m.

Exterior

 

 

 

 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise HalfDork
7/18/19 8:13 p.m.

6.2-liter V8 called LT2 mated to an eight-speed dual-clutch automatic...495 horsepower and 470 lb-ft of torque.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
7/18/19 8:23 p.m.

I like that. 

DartHollywood
DartHollywood New Reader
7/18/19 8:43 p.m.

I do like the Exterior, even if not very Corvettish, but that was true in 1968 as us More Mature may recall. That Vette was Futuristic to nth degree for 'Merican iron (& glas). But interior was recognizable.

So maybe, depending on price, this new C8 may click. Yet I see an interior detail which tells me price will be pumped an extra 20 grand by the marketing guys and bean counters: note the 'silly' red F1 band at the top of the steering wheel. Only ones who will use that are the valets after you drop off your C8 for a 2 or 3 hr dinner. Ha. Don't worry though. A good valet knows how to get around the 'valet mode'.

RevRico
RevRico PowerDork
7/18/19 8:44 p.m.

I really like the outside. More than I thought for red, but that interior just kills me. Not that "broke, fat, 30 something" is their target market, but oof.

Put it in dark metallic blue or BRG and I'll put a poster on my bedroom wall tonight though. 

stanger_missle
stanger_missle SuperDork
7/18/19 8:45 p.m.
Dusterbd13-michael said:

Where is the shifter???

I had the same thought. Maybe the weird leather bound thing between the chrome dealies and the line of buttons?

ztnedman1
ztnedman1 New Reader
7/18/19 8:51 p.m.

In reply to stanger_missle :

To the left of that.  Basically buttons

classicJackets
classicJackets Dork
7/18/19 8:55 p.m.

Another picture showed the buttons to the left of your circle as the pushbutton shifter controls.

Jim Pettengill
Jim Pettengill HalfDork
7/18/19 9:11 p.m.

Good grief, and people say my C4 has a cramped cockpit!

The0retical
The0retical UberDork
7/18/19 9:20 p.m.

Looks good. The rear end kind of works like that.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/18/19 9:38 p.m.

Pictures are trickling in!

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/18/19 9:39 p.m.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/18/19 9:40 p.m.

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 9:44 p.m.

Hey gang. Lots of folks taking up bandwidth here, so I’m getting photos to Facebook as well as I can. 

Almost more like a concert than a car launch. 1200-ish people here. 250 journalists, 160 Vette club members, 90 influencers and about 500 dealers plus Chevy folks. 

Whole history of corvette is on display, plus race cars. CERV3 was a nice treat as we await an “official” mid engined corvette. 

General buzz of cautious optimism here. I think everyone is prepared to like the car, but we all want a price. 

Keep an eye on the FB feed. That seems to be the only reliable place I can put photos up at the moment. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 9:49 p.m.

We were just warned to stay in our seats during the presentation for our own safety. I think that means tigers. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 9:52 p.m.

What I’m getting is we’re not going to get any real face time with this thing yet. This is a zoo. A cool zoo, to be sure, but this is clearly about the hype for the public and not about the details for the press. 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
7/18/19 10:00 p.m.

Are you considered a journalist or an influencer in your capacity there? Will that change if you streak?

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:00 p.m.

I can not over stress the hype level of some folks here. There’s people around me in the bleachers literally vibrating in their seats. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:03 p.m.

Kicking it off with astronauts. Not at all subtle. 

Jim Pettengill
Jim Pettengill HalfDork
7/18/19 10:06 p.m.

Is that a 5,000 rpm redline on the tach?  And a friction circle to the right (not what I'd call practical in real time, maybe it's part of a datalogger?  Where do you fire the photon torpedoes?

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/18/19 10:08 p.m.

Just hurry up and yank the engine so I can make my 350Z faster!

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:09 p.m.

No one has said the word Corvette yet. This is a cool presentation, but I’m curious about the segue. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:10 p.m.

Wow. Very lackluster applause for the pause after the line “like a rocket, the engine is in the BACK.” 

Not sure the crowd is convinced that’s an upgrade. 

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/18/19 10:16 p.m.

JG, do they know you’re one of, you know, them? Did you wear your sweet gold chains? 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:21 p.m.

I want to slap the phones out of the hands of everyone who is taking vertical video. 

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/18/19 10:22 p.m.

This gentleman certainly looks like a Corvette Guy. 

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
7/18/19 10:27 p.m.

Hate to say it chief, but this car is kinda ugly 

Error404
Error404 New Reader
7/18/19 10:28 p.m.

From the front and sides, I dig it. From the back, not so much.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:28 p.m.

all wheel drive

all wheel drive


all wheel drive.. 


so I guess that's coming out his mouth next?

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:30 p.m.
Error404 said:

From the front and sides, I dig it. From the back, not so much.

Yeah, can confirm. Front 3/4 is fire. Rear 3/4 is fyrefest. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:31 p.m.

Greenhouse is aces, though. Whole car definitely has solid presence. 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:31 p.m.
JG Pasterjak said:
Error404 said:

From the front and sides, I dig it. From the back, not so much.

Yeah, can confirm. Front 3/4 is fire. Rear 3/4 is fyrefest. 

well it's all plastic so the aftermarket will probably have a solution by christmas.. 

grover
grover HalfDork
7/18/19 10:32 p.m.

In reply to spacecadet :

That's what I'm wondering.  I should hope that it is. 

grover
grover HalfDork
7/18/19 10:32 p.m.

HAHA, this applause is not good.  Somebody put the wipers back down! 

 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:32 p.m.

holy E36 M3 the augmented reality F35 was over the top.. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:35 p.m.

Distance from the rear of the doors to the back of the car is too much. Everything forward of that is fantastic. 

Error404
Error404 New Reader
7/18/19 10:37 p.m.

In reply to JG Pasterjak :

It's borderline, at best. There's a whole lotta car behind the driver, that's for sure.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:37 p.m.

 

the use of augmented reality is kinda hilarious.. 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:39 p.m.

I Kinda dig the blue leather.. so ridiculous, but i'm glad to see it survived to the C8

grover
grover HalfDork
7/18/19 10:40 p.m.

Maybe next time that you have a huge reveal, have your team memorize their 5 minute speeches.  These are terriible. 

Error404
Error404 New Reader
7/18/19 10:40 p.m.
spacecadet said:

I Kinda dig the blue leather.. so ridiculous, but i'm glad to see it survived to the C8

I'm with you on the blue, it looks good on the screen. That line of buttons, though, looks rushed.

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:42 p.m.

Wow. Right hand drive versions. Rule Brittania. 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:43 p.m.

In reply to JG Pasterjak :

yeah that's huge.. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:43 p.m.

Coils. I see coils. 

Kreb
Kreb UberDork
7/18/19 10:45 p.m.

Aesthetically, not bloody bad. Not an A, but a solid B+ or A-, which is more than I can say for most bowtie products. 

grover
grover HalfDork
7/18/19 10:46 p.m.

So- this thing is going to be totaled with a slight rear tap.  

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:47 p.m.
Error404 said:
spacecadet said:

I Kinda dig the blue leather.. so ridiculous, but i'm glad to see it survived to the C8

I'm with you on the blue, it looks good on the screen. That line of buttons, though, looks rushed.

Those buttons will be randomized for each car and become the new VIN. 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:48 p.m.

In reply to JG Pasterjak :

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/18/19 10:50 p.m.

I did a quick poll of female sports car enthusiasts (my wife) and she much prefers her engine to take her places than to push her around. I showed her a picture of a Mercedes GT and she said "yes, that's it".

So now I'm looking at used Ferrari 550 Maranellos on eBay.

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:50 p.m.

Front end lift system just got about the biggest applause of the night. 

Built in data acquisition is rad, though. 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:53 p.m.



LT2 495hp... 

Good photo of motor trans and all 4 coilovers.. 

sub 3 0-60 oh it's going to SS

grover
grover HalfDork
7/18/19 10:56 p.m.

so it's not all wheel drive.  Why talk about that so much in the beginning? weird. 

grover
grover HalfDork
7/18/19 10:57 p.m.

holy crap! Under 60k! 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/18/19 10:57 p.m.

Under $60k?

You have my attention. 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 10:57 p.m.
grover said:

holy crap! Under 60k!

yep.. that's wild

Error404
Error404 New Reader
7/18/19 10:58 p.m.
grover said:

holy crap! Under 60k! 

Drop a 0 from that and we can talk.

MBStevens1
MBStevens1 New Reader
7/18/19 11:01 p.m.
grover said:

Maybe next time that you have a huge reveal, have your team memorize their 5 minute speeches.  These are terriible. 

Yeah ... "Crovette"?  Oops ... little nervous?  And maybe ditch the Saturday Night Fever shirt look.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/18/19 11:01 p.m.

Under $60k?! 

 

loosecannon
loosecannon Dork
7/18/19 11:03 p.m.

It's beautiful, can't wait to see one in person and see its Nurburgring lap time

RacetruckRon
RacetruckRon HalfDork
7/18/19 11:03 p.m.

I like it a lot. Overall I'm impressed. Off to the website to see if they have a configurator. Need to see how white looks with a blue leather GT2 seat.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
7/18/19 11:04 p.m.

Nice mid engine Camaro.. where’s the t-tops?

Mike
Mike SuperDork
7/18/19 11:05 p.m.
spacecadet said:

 

the use of augmented reality is kinda hilarious.. 

They sorta did this (well, for final effect) with the C7 reveal. They left the cover on at first and projected graphics on to the car. Honestly, I prefer that, not just because I'm old.

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
7/18/19 11:05 p.m.

That’s a hell of a package for the money. Please please let this make the C7 depreciate faster!

DartHollywood
DartHollywood New Reader
7/18/19 11:08 p.m.

JG,

Thanks for running commentary. Almost like being there?

Say, what is the buiding, an old dirigible hanger???

Again, thx, & I (we all) look forward to your article on the new Beast.

DartHollywood

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 11:10 p.m.
DartHollywood said:

JG,

Thanks for running commentary. Almost like being there?

Say, what is the buiding, an old dirigible hanger???

Again, thx, & I (we all) look forward to your article on the new Beast.

DartHollywood

it is an old blip base 

06HHR
06HHR Dork
7/18/19 11:11 p.m.

Under 60K? Man, I may need to rethink getting a used SS next year..  

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 11:14 p.m.
JG Pasterjak said:
Error404 said:

From the front and sides, I dig it. From the back, not so much.

Yeah, can confirm. Front 3/4 is fire. Rear 3/4 is fyrefest. 

this is literally my favorite quote about it.. and it's so true.. 

Ransom
Ransom PowerDork
7/18/19 11:16 p.m.

Hurry up and start totaling them so we can have mid-engine V8 drivetrains for stuff like GT40s... (Sacrilege, sure, but I can't argue with a mid-V8 package that stout all at once...)

EDIT: I feel compelled to note that my enthusiasm for harvesting wrecks isn't based in disdain for the car.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 11:26 p.m.

Jason Isley from Racer snagged this photo... 

so now we know what all the buttons are.. 

 

stanger_missle
stanger_missle SuperDork
7/18/19 11:28 p.m.

Chevy has a bunch of vids on their YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Chevrolet/videos

 

Ransom
Ransom PowerDork
7/18/19 11:28 p.m.

In reply to spacecadet :

What's the white thing between the screen and the cupholders? A mouse?

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 11:29 p.m.

JG is livestreaming on FB FYI guys 

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe UberDork
7/18/19 11:30 p.m.

Note going to bash GM like I normally do. That is good looking.

Make mine White with Red leather and a Z51 package as it sits. Not willing to guinea pig a first year release but after that and if they make a Z06 version I would would consider replacing the ACR with this. If they go whole hog twin turbo and keep it under 110K that will be my next new car.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 11:32 p.m.

holy crap the rear hatch is HUUUUGE

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 11:41 p.m.
spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/18/19 11:42 p.m.

JG on live stream

guy next to him "it's so claustrophobic on the passenger side" 

JG: "Corvette People have no friends!" 

 

Cotton
Cotton PowerDork
7/18/19 11:43 p.m.

I like it and am real surprised it’s under 60k.  That’s an amazing amount of car for the money.

JimS
JimS Reader
7/18/19 11:50 p.m.

Exterior ok. Interior is awful. I think I'll be keeping my 991 for a long time. 

Error404
Error404 New Reader
7/18/19 11:51 p.m.

I like the cupholders. I think that's the extent of what I like in the cockpit. Not that I'm surprised, I am not Corvette People.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/19/19 12:09 a.m.

rear spring seats have 20mm of adjustment, so it will be semi cornerbalance capable from the factory! 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/19/19 12:24 a.m.
JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/19/19 12:28 a.m.
spacecadet said:

rear spring seats have 20mm of adjustment, so it will be semi cornerbalance capable from the factory! 

40mm. 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/19/19 12:30 a.m.
Error404 said:

I like the cupholders. I think that's the extent of what I like in the cockpit. Not that I'm surprised, I am not Corvette People.

Driver seat is great. Wheel is better in person than in pictures. Headroom is better than C5, C6 or C7. 

Passenger side is pretty cramped. Feels very far away from the driver. Whole interior is very driver centric. 

RevRico
RevRico PowerDork
7/19/19 12:44 a.m.
Catatafish
Catatafish Reader
7/19/19 12:52 a.m.

Performance bargain of the century! Name a faster (new) car for the money, ill wait. 

 

Nutty, GM somehow does it again.

ctk339
ctk339 Reader
7/19/19 5:19 a.m.

I think I like it, at this point though my only hope is that it makes the older cars cheaper for me lol 

300zxfreak
300zxfreak New Reader
7/19/19 6:52 a.m.

Cockpit looks like a good place for a couple already on the road to divorce.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
7/19/19 7:04 a.m.

If they're making money at $60k, even just a little, that gives them a ton of room to work with on the $100-160k versions. Following the Porsche model of making money on options and a new special version every 6-9 months for the life of the chassis?

If the rear view mirror/camera thing is on the base car I bet my wife will want to bail on the ND. 

Mike
Mike SuperDork
7/19/19 7:15 a.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

The camera, I'm pretty sure, is a federal mandate now. There may have been some exemptions, but that's for low volume manufacturers, not Chevy.

Patrick
Patrick MegaDork
7/19/19 7:20 a.m.

I think i’m in love. I haven’t wanted another corvette since my c4 bad enough to actually plan to buy one, but I think I know what i’m aiming for when done paying for the truck.  Of course I need to drive one to make sure, but damn that’s pretty

Torkel
Torkel Reader
7/19/19 7:27 a.m.

I love it! Both inside and out! I think you guys are way too harsch on the interior. It says "racing car, futuristic and Spaceship" all at once. Love the big screen that is sort of hovering, separated from the rest of the dash and I can at least accept the long row of buttons.

Well done, GM!

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon SuperDork
7/19/19 7:34 a.m.
RevRico said:
spacecadet said:

holy crap the convertible looks amazing 


https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a28442207/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-convertible/?src=socialflowFBRAT&fbclid=IwAR0qsLxtOPthFUyg6ulqwzTnD0YFFjbNfHX9Xojd5ccCt1Khd2YMYWRP5o4

Ooooo

Pretty. But what’s up with the rear fender gap?

j_tso
j_tso New Reader
7/19/19 7:49 a.m.

In reply to BlueInGreen - Jon :

display model, no engine installed?

bcp2011
bcp2011 Reader
7/19/19 7:51 a.m.

Just learned that there's no manual... Boo.  

Otherwise car looks great.  A Ferrari at 1/5 of the price.  I like it.  

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/19/19 8:16 a.m.
300zxfreak said:

Cockpit looks like a good place for a couple already on the road to divorce.

This is gold.

chaparral
chaparral Dork
7/19/19 8:37 a.m.
Error404 said:
grover said:

holy crap! Under 60k! 

Drop a 0 from that and we can talk.

I think C5s just went there.

chaparral
chaparral Dork
7/19/19 8:39 a.m.

I think they took most of the styling from the FZR 2000 from Need For Speed II SE.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
7/19/19 8:43 a.m.

I'll have to see it in the flesh, but from all the photos I have seen, there is not an attractive angle on it. Not one. I expected the tacky plastic vents and the ugly gloss black trim, but man, the basic lines are just plain bad. The wing looks like a cheap Pep-Boys add-on and every surface is just so damn busy. Designed by a committee? Did you try to make the taillights and exhaust ugly?   That's the only explanation. 

And inside, every high-end automaker is going away from rows and rows of buttons after years of complaints. So GM decided to address the complaints about the Corvette interior by adding...more buttons?!?!?

I'm sure the performance will be outstanding, but here's hoping that some of the details get smoothed out and cleaned up over time. 

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
7/19/19 8:43 a.m.

I'll have to see it in the flesh, but from all the photos I have seen, there is not an attractive angle on it. Not one. I expected the tacky plastic vents and the ugly gloss black trim, but man, the basic lines are just plain bad. The wing looks like a cheap Pep-Boys add-on and every surface is just so damn busy. Designed by a committee? Did you try to make the taillights and exhaust ugly?   That's the only explanation. 

And inside, every high-end automaker is going away from rows and rows of buttons after years of complaints. So GM decided to address the complaints about the Corvette interior by adding...more buttons?!?!?

I'm sure the performance will be outstanding, but here's hoping that some of the details get smoothed out and cleaned up over time. 

DeadSkunk  (Warren)
DeadSkunk (Warren) PowerDork
7/19/19 8:45 a.m.

Meh.... not impressed....the camo pictures look better. I'll reserve final judgment until I see one in the flesh.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory PowerDork
7/19/19 8:45 a.m.
spacecadet said:

Jason Isley from Racer snagged this photo... 

so now we know what all the buttons are.. 

 

It's not impossible, We just haven't figured out how to do it yet.

I got a close up of those buttons:


 

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
7/19/19 8:49 a.m.

Nice clean lines...

Fugly.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory PowerDork
7/19/19 8:59 a.m.

In reply to pinchvalve :

They should’ve just copied this:

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/19/19 9:04 a.m.
Catatafish said:

Performance bargain of the century! Name a faster (new) car for the money, ill wait. 

...crickets....

jv8
jv8 Reader
7/19/19 9:06 a.m.
chaparral said:
Error404 said:
grover said:

holy crap! Under 60k! 

Drop a 0 from that and we can talk.

I think C5s just went there.

I agree.  Haven't had time to track my prepped C5Z so I was thinking about selling... but now I'm looking for cheap storage.  On the plus side I will have no fear of damage when I get back on track... replacement parts/cars will be cheap!

This announcement and its trickle-down effect may turn the C5Z into the track bargain of the century.

I still wonder if the $60K is a bait-and-switch scheme using super-expensive options.

 

 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/19/19 9:07 a.m.

The C7 was born spiky and got spikier. So it's not surprising the C8 is spiky. I'm looking forward to seeing one in the flesh. 

I don't see why the pricing is a shock. The engine is in a different place, but other than that little bit of packaging it's not radically different from the C7 in terms of cost. It's just that we're not used to seeing manufacturers going mid-engined in this price bracket. Well, other than Porsche who has been doing it for quite some time. And Toyota, who did it at a much lower price point. But mid-engined isn't necessarily more expensive if you're building a unique platform and transmission already.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/19/19 9:08 a.m.
RevRico said:
spacecadet said:

holy crap the convertible looks amazing 


https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a28442207/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-convertible/?src=socialflowFBRAT&fbclid=IwAR0qsLxtOPthFUyg6ulqwzTnD0YFFjbNfHX9Xojd5ccCt1Khd2YMYWRP5o4

Ooooo

When Mazda does that  it's not a convertible laugh Looks pretty darn cool though.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/19/19 9:12 a.m.
poopshovel again said:
Catatafish said:

Performance bargain of the century! Name a faster (new) car for the money, ill wait. 

...crickets....

Yeah, totally. So it's basically Cayman money. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/19/19 9:13 a.m.

Not sure which news is bigger: the move to mid-engine or the return of coil springs?

Harvey
Harvey SuperDork
7/19/19 9:16 a.m.

This thing looks sweeeeet.

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/19/19 9:19 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:
RevRico said:
spacecadet said:

holy crap the convertible looks amazing 


https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a28442207/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-convertible/?src=socialflowFBRAT&fbclid=IwAR0qsLxtOPthFUyg6ulqwzTnD0YFFjbNfHX9Xojd5ccCt1Khd2YMYWRP5o4

Ooooo

When Mazda does that  it's not a convertible laugh Looks pretty darn cool though.

Mazda bridged the butresses 

Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
7/19/19 9:19 a.m.

I like the way it looks. Dimensionally how does it compare to the last generation? Since 1968 I have thought the Corvette show be Triumph sized and not XXL!

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
7/19/19 9:23 a.m.

In reply to Mike :

Not the mandated backup camera, but the rearview mirror that's an active screen that uses a camera to make it look like there is no physical car behind you. No blind spots in the mirror as long as the system is working. They have put it on other cars, it'd just that this car will need it for my wife to feel comfortable driving it. She's borderline on the ND as it is. 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
7/19/19 9:25 a.m.
Patrick said:

I think i’m in love. I haven’t wanted another corvette since my c4 bad enough to actually plan to buy one, but I think I know what i’m aiming for when done paying for the truck.  Of course I need to drive one to make sure, but damn that’s pretty

We can be corvette buddies and drive around and do Corvette things. 

Patrick
Patrick MegaDork
7/19/19 9:33 a.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:
Patrick said:

I think i’m in love. I haven’t wanted another corvette since my c4 bad enough to actually plan to buy one, but I think I know what i’m aiming for when done paying for the truck.  Of course I need to drive one to make sure, but damn that’s pretty

We can be corvette buddies and drive around and do Corvette things. 

berkeley yeah, I got the chest hair game down

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory PowerDork
7/19/19 9:33 a.m.

Dibs on the rear half of the first one torn in two in a horrific crash where the driver walks away unscathed.

The0retical
The0retical UberDork
7/19/19 9:35 a.m.

Alright I've talked a lot of E36 M3 about GM in the past but, wow, they knocked it out of the park tech, styling, and price wise on this thing.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to get into one.

kazoospec
kazoospec UltraDork
7/19/19 9:40 a.m.
ebonyandivory said:

Dibs on the rear half of the first one torn in two in a horrific crash where the driver walks away unscathed.

"Corvetting" a car used to lead to back half damage.  I wonder if that will change with the rear engine layout?  Regardless, don't make any big plans, since you'll probably get priced out of the market.  Every hack car show on R & T channel will be fighting to be the first swap the running gear into an old 911. 

The0retical
The0retical UberDork
7/19/19 9:42 a.m.
kazoospec said:
ebonyandivory said:

Dibs on the rear half of the first one torn in two in a horrific crash where the driver walks away unscathed.

"Corvetting" a car used to lead to back half damage.  I wonder if that will change with the rear engine layout?  Regardless, don't make any big plans, since you'll probably get priced out of the market.  Every hack car show on R & T channel will be fighting to be the first swap the running gear into an old 911. 

Oooo ooo does that mean we can potentially stuff the running gear into a FFR GTM natively now? Or an air cooled Beetle, an old Fiat 500. So many options to die in a spectacular fashion.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/19/19 9:48 a.m.

This thing definitely opens up a lot of options for mid-engined builds down the road. I predict a reverse rotation final drive so it can also be used in rear engined applications like sand rails.

The engine is tall, unfortunately. We'll have to see if the LT2 gets into the Camero to see if it'll fit under low hoods in other front engined applications.

TGMF
TGMF Reader
7/19/19 9:50 a.m.

So, what we have then, is the NSX Honda should have built. 

 

 

This thing, at under 60k, is epic.  at under 75k (which is where I expect one with the fancy diff and suspension will be)  is still a unbeliveable bargain.  Chevy is going to sell the hell out of these things.    

 

Harvey
Harvey SuperDork
7/19/19 9:52 a.m.

So, I guess the Z06 or ZR1 version will have the DOHC motor they kept talking about putting into the car?

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
7/19/19 9:53 a.m.

Countdown till the first C8 Vette Kart....

 

Cleetus, you watching?

 

 

Pete

Primaris
Primaris
7/19/19 9:53 a.m.

Yes! Finally a new Fiero! 

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
7/19/19 9:55 a.m.
poopshovel again said:
Catatafish said:

Performance bargain of the century! Name a faster (new) car for the money, ill wait. 

...crickets....

Alfa Romeo 4C

Tesla Model 3 Performance

Challenger SRT392 / Scat Pack / Hellcat

Shelby GT350

BMW M2 and the M3/4 are close to the price

Audi RS3

Porsche 718 Boxster on a track probably

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
7/19/19 10:00 a.m.

In case you missed the live intro, here's our abridged version:

 

white_fly
white_fly HalfDork
7/19/19 10:03 a.m.
Catatafish said:

Performance bargain of the century! Name a faster (new) car for the money, ill wait. 

Honestly, even the list of faster used cars is super short and depends on how we measure fast. I'm thinking a few Porsches, maybe some GT-R's... Am I missing any?

Overall, I don't love the exterior styling and I *really* don't love the row of buttons. I think the convertible is an improvement in terms of styling, which is a strange thing to say. The things that get me most excited are the very flat underbody and all the gorgeous aluminum castings.

Say what you will about mid-engine cars not being more expensive to produce, but what's the most powerful mid engine car available for $60k new? What's the cheapest mid-engine car with 500hp, or even 400?

Kreb
Kreb UberDork
7/19/19 10:04 a.m.

Everything but the interior pushes the right buttons for me, and somehow I could learn to live with that. wink What's really hard to get from the pictures is the sense of scale. American Muscle cars always look like the athlete who spends too much time in the gym. Right now, I'd take one of these over a Cayman, and that's saying something, because I love Caymans. But if it's too big, I'll retract that preference.  

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/19/19 10:21 a.m.
Javelin said:
poopshovel again said:
Catatafish said:

Performance bargain of the century! Name a faster (new) car for the money, ill wait. 

...crickets....

Alfa Romeo 4C

Tesla Model 3 Performance

Challenger SRT392 / Scat Pack / Hellcat

Shelby GT350

BMW M2 and the M3/4 are close to the price

Audi RS3

Porsche 718 Boxster on a track probably

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure none of these rip a sub-3-second 0-60. Not that that’s the only measure of performance, obviously. It’ll be interesting to see the real numbers.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/19/19 10:29 a.m.
white_fly said:
Catatafish said:

Performance bargain of the century! Name a faster (new) car for the money, ill wait. 

Honestly, even the list of faster used cars is super short and depends on how we measure fast. I'm thinking a few Porsches, maybe some GT-R's... Am I missing any?

Overall, I don't love the exterior styling and I *really* don't love the row of buttons. I think the convertible is an improvement in terms of styling, which is a strange thing to say. The things that get me most excited are the very flat underbody and all the gorgeous aluminum castings.

Say what you will about mid-engine cars not being more expensive to produce, but what's the most powerful mid engine car available for $60k new? What's the cheapest mid-engine car with 500hp, or even 400?

Do we know that the base Corvette will will have the full performance level? Or are we comparing a car that doesn't exist to other cars?

Turn the question around - why is nobody else making a $60k mid-engined car? There are a bunch of reasons why street cars aren't built that way normally, the packaging just sucks from a useability standpoint. GM has finally, after nearly a half century, decided that this is okay. "Most powerful mid engined car at $60k" is a very, very specific category.

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
7/19/19 10:43 a.m.

In reply to poopshovel again :

Pretty sure Tesla's are the only things to 0-60 like that anyway. Performance is a broad term. The Scat Pack would destroy the C8 at the drag strip, the Boxster (hell the ND too) would out lap it at any technical track or autocross, and the Quattro's would win on wet surfaces. 

There's not a lot of mid engine at the price point (Alfa 4C, 718 Boxster/Cayman) and there's not a lot of 485 HP (Scat Pack, Shelby). It looks like a great performance bargain, which the Corvette always was.

Auto only makes it not for me though, but that's personal.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UltimaDork
7/19/19 10:50 a.m.
Tim Suddard said:

I like the way it looks. Dimensionally how does it compare to the last generation? Since 1968 I have thought the Corvette show be Triumph sized and not XXL!

Eeeek!  No!

The last thing we need is another little Miata-sized go-kart roller skate.  It's an American icon.  It should have some freaking PRESENCE!

Looks too small to me.

slefain
slefain PowerDork
7/19/19 11:02 a.m.

Two words: frunk mural. You heard it here first folks. Just wait til the airbrush guys get the template figured out.

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/19/19 11:02 a.m.

In reply to Javelin :

Of course we’re both speculating, but if the vette is really hitting 60 in under 3 seconds, I don’t see how it could *not* run a sub 12-second 1/4. Add the same 100 treadwear tires found on the Scatpack and things would get even more interesting.

NOT A TA
NOT A TA Dork
7/19/19 11:38 a.m.

I like it! First "different" new car I've really liked since the Elise came to the USA. I'd like to see them change the rear panel bodywork for 2021.

Furious_E
Furious_E UltraDork
7/19/19 12:08 p.m.

Wow, GM really knocked this one out of the park. I expected horrifyingly ugly and at least $20k more expensive. Dare I say this might be the greatest performance bargain EVER?

I see two major flaws, though:

1) No manual (?)

2) Children won't fit in the frunk nearly as well as they did under the hatch cheekydevil

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
7/19/19 12:15 p.m.

Here's a nit to pick:   Why 495 hp?  Could they really not squeeze out another 5 before calling it a day?

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/19/19 12:18 p.m.
Furious_E said:

Wow, GM really knocked this one out of the park. I expected horrifyingly ugly and at least $20k more expensive. Dare I say this might be the greatest performance bargain EVER?

I see two major flaws, though:

1) No manual (?)

2) Children won't fit in the frunk nearly as well as they did under the hatch cheekydevil

I'm floored by the starting price as well. Figure so much on this car is new and unique to this model. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/19/19 12:23 p.m.

Is it any more unique than other Corvettes once you get past the shock of OMG MID ENGINE? I don't think it is. The Corvette has had a unique trans for a while. This engine is just the first application of the LT2, it'll get smeared over the rest of the fleet soon enough. The platform has always been a one-off. The only thing that's really any different is where they put the engine when they started the design work.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
7/19/19 12:31 p.m.

Regarding the price:  Is there any reason it SHOULD be more expensive?

Obviously, there is the concept of what they can get for them, but is anything truly expensive to build here (compared to the old Corvette at least)?  The engine appears to be somewhat common, the suspension is not going to be that different to produce, the body.. is a body, not sure why that would be more. The only thing that seems like it would drive up the price would be the transaxle or any electronic do-dads they add (I think the current Corvette has plenty though)

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/19/19 12:31 p.m.

Since the C5, I'd say that we've been refining the same basic idea/platform. This is our first clean sheet design in decades. 

Lof8
Lof8 Dork
7/19/19 12:50 p.m.

This is infinitely more appealing than the Zupra.

STM317
STM317 UltraDork
7/19/19 1:10 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

This thing definitely opens up a lot of options for mid-engined builds down the road. I predict a reverse rotation final drive so it can also be used in rear engined applications like sand rails.

The engine is tall, unfortunately. We'll have to see if the LT2 gets into the Camero to see if it'll fit under low hoods in other front engined applications.

It's dry sump in the Vette. How tall can an OHV V8 with no sump really be?

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
7/19/19 1:41 p.m.

I'm a little surprised by the move from torque converter auto to dual clutch auto. Due to cost/complexity and tech advances, BMW and others are doing the opposite.

pheller
pheller UltimaDork
7/19/19 1:48 p.m.

Hellcat Redeye is $73,000 and does the 1/4 in 11.8. Widebody is now about the same price and will do it in 10.9. The Demon did it in 9.6 (but really its just a factory drag car.) 

I'd have a hardtime believing that buyers cross shopping American muscle will choose a hopped up Challenger who's base price (in V6 form) almost dips under $20,000k over a mid-engine Corvette that looks like an American Ferrari - especially when they will be so close in performance. 

If Ford was smart, they'd figure out how to put V8, 6spd Mustangs into the hands of more people. $40k for a GT V8 Performance package? I might as well just splurge and pay a few extra bucks per month for the Corvette. Nah, Ford needs a $25k V8 GT. 

 

I have a feeling the new Ferravette is going to reset a lot of peoples budgeting for a sports car. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/19/19 1:53 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

Since the C5, I'd say that we've been refining the same basic idea/platform. This is our first clean sheet design in decades. 

But ideas don't cost money. The platform is completely new for each generation, it just carries over concepts. It seems more different, but if you're actually counting the number of unique and new parts I suspect it's not really any more of a departure than other generational leaps.

 

STM317 said:
Keith Tanner said:

This thing definitely opens up a lot of options for mid-engined builds down the road. I predict a reverse rotation final drive so it can also be used in rear engined applications like sand rails.

The engine is tall, unfortunately. We'll have to see if the LT2 gets into the Camero to see if it'll fit under low hoods in other front engined applications.

It's dry sump in the Vette. How tall can an OHV V8 with no sump really be?

Intake manifolds can be a lot taller. Also, the dry sump means that the minimum distance to a steering rack isn't really changed if you're doing a front engine install, so the engine isn't really any lower than it would be with a wet sump and the right. pan. I'm thinking of a very specific application here, of course :) Here's a quote from the Car and Driver article:

"With the engine behind the driver, engineers were less concerned with forward sightlines and free to make the LT2 taller than the LT1. A new intake manifold with equal-length runners is mounted so that the engine now breathes from the back of the car, further shortening the distance between the throttle body and intake valves, which improves flow."

Check out the pictures of the engine and how much the intake towers over the valve covers. The integrated oil tank for the dry sump system is a nice piece of packaging, though - it's basically sitting where a hydraulic PS pump would be in the old days.

Here's the LS3. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/19/19 2:26 p.m.
pheller said:

 

I have a feeling the new Ferravette is going to reset a lot of peoples budgeting for a sports car. 

So, C8 or Cayman? 

pimpm3
pimpm3 UltraDork
7/19/19 2:38 p.m.

The no manual kills it for me.  I like it though hopefully later versions will rectify the manual issue.

Jordan Rimpela
Jordan Rimpela Digital Editor
7/19/19 3:13 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:
pheller said:

 

I have a feeling the new Ferravette is going to reset a lot of peoples budgeting for a sports car. 

So, C8 or Cayman? 

C8. And no, not the Spyker. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/19/19 3:15 p.m.

And I guess add the 4C to that question as it's also in the same price range. Definiately cool to have some choices. 

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/19/19 3:19 p.m.
pimpm3 said:

The no manual kills it for me.  I like it though hopefully later versions will rectify the manual issue.

I’ll withhold judgement until I drive one in anger. The flappy paddles (err...commodore 64 buttons) in my 10-year old V, SUCK.

That said, I walked (limped) away from a C63 AMG saying “If every auto shifted like this, why the hell would you ever buy a manual!?”

Also, I’m not an automotive engineer/designer, but I’d ASSume the price of both autos and manuals would go up if they decided to offer both, just to appease what I’m also ASSuming is a very small segment of buyers.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/19/19 3:21 p.m.
poopshovel again said:
pimpm3 said:

The no manual kills it for me.  I like it though hopefully later versions will rectify the manual issue.

I’ll withhold judgement until I drive one in anger. The flappy paddles (err...commodore 64 buttons) in my 10-year old V, SUCK.

That said, I walked (limped) away from a C63 AMG saying “If every auto shifted like this, why the hell would you ever buy a manual!?”

Yup. The AMG boxes are pretty darn sweet. 

Harvey
Harvey SuperDork
7/19/19 3:28 p.m.
Javelin said:

In reply to poopshovel again :

Pretty sure Tesla's are the only things to 0-60 like that anyway. Performance is a broad term. The Scat Pack would destroy the C8 at the drag strip, the Boxster (hell the ND too) would out lap it at any technical track or autocross, and the Quattro's would win on wet surfaces. 

 

We're getting into some serious Internet racing speculation now. We haven't even had anyone drive a C8 and it's already getting destroyed by the Boxster and ND on track days and autocrosses.

The0retical
The0retical UberDork
7/19/19 3:34 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:
pheller said:

 

I have a feeling the new Ferravette is going to reset a lot of peoples budgeting for a sports car. 

So, C8 or Cayman? 

C8 no contest. As much as I'd love to own a Cayman the hydraulic lift thing on the Vette and the potential for a much higher performance ceiling for less money does it.

This really made me rethink the kind of sports car I'd want to own (and Corvettes in general.)

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/19/19 3:36 p.m.
Harvey said:
Javelin said:

In reply to poopshovel again :

Pretty sure Tesla's are the only things to 0-60 like that anyway. Performance is a broad term. The Scat Pack would destroy the C8 at the drag strip, the Boxster (hell the ND too) would out lap it at any technical track or autocross, and the Quattro's would win on wet surfaces. 

 

We're getting into some serious Internet racing speculation now. We haven't even had anyone drive a C8 and it's already getting destroyed by the Boxster and ND on track days and autocrosses.

Welcome to the internet. smiley

Jordan Rimpela
Jordan Rimpela Digital Editor
7/19/19 3:36 p.m.

Another unpopular opinion from me: the lack of a manual doesn't bother me.

 

*runs*

The0retical
The0retical UberDork
7/19/19 3:41 p.m.
Jordan Rimpela said:

Another unpopular opinion from me: the lack of a manual doesn't bother me.

 

*runs*

I like my manual transmission cars but I have to say that I'm not sure if miss it on something I drive everyday. Especially now that I have to drive into Philly to see clients occasionally.

The tech has come really far in a short time.

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
7/19/19 3:49 p.m.
Harvey said:
Javelin said:

In reply to poopshovel again :

Pretty sure Tesla's are the only things to 0-60 like that anyway. Performance is a broad term. The Scat Pack would destroy the C8 at the drag strip, the Boxster (hell the ND too) would out lap it at any technical track or autocross, and the Quattro's would win on wet surfaces. 

 

We're getting into some serious Internet racing speculation now. We haven't even had anyone drive a C8 and it's already getting destroyed by the Boxster and ND on track days and autocrosses.

And the RAIN! Don’t forget about the RAIN! They shoulda made it an AWD turbo four..wait...FIVE cylinder!!!!! WTF were they thinking!?!? For $60k it should do ALL THE THINGS!!!!!! AND it should look like a bad copy of a 50 year old pony car for at least the next 15 years!!! WTF GM!?

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
7/19/19 4:10 p.m.

The county I'm in right now has 8200 residents. Whole county. I'm 12 miles from a Chevy dealer. Closest Mazda dealer is two hours. I think there is a Porsche dealer within 6 hours. Alfa? I don't even know. Maybe this is an old way of thinking that doesn't really matter, but it would make life a lot easier. 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/19/19 5:09 p.m.
pheller said:

Hellcat Redeye is $73,000 and does the 1/4 in 11.8. Widebody is now about the same price and will do it in 10.9. The Demon did it in 9.6 (but really its just a factory drag car.) 

I'd have a hardtime believing that buyers cross shopping American muscle will choose a hopped up Challenger who's base price (in V6 form) almost dips under $20,000k over a mid-engine Corvette that looks like an American Ferrari - especially when they will be so close in performance. 

If Ford was smart, they'd figure out how to put V8, 6spd Mustangs into the hands of more people. $40k for a GT V8 Performance package? I might as well just splurge and pay a few extra bucks per month for the Corvette. Nah, Ford needs a $25k V8 GT. 

 

I have a feeling the new Ferravette is going to reset a lot of peoples budgeting for a sports car. 

The difference in payments between a $40k and say $65k (based on the price of the current Z51 package):

$40k @ 4% for 60 months = $737/month............before we get to insurance, maintenance, etc.

$65k @ 4% for 60 months = $1,197/month

I don't think nearly $500/month is just "a few more bucks."

 

And you can 'last year's model Base GT, V8, manual, under $30k all over the the country. So if $25k is just a few more bucks, $4k is pocket change. devil

Will
Will UltraDork
7/19/19 5:26 p.m.

Wrong thread.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/19/19 5:47 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

The county I'm in right now has 8200 residents. Whole county. I'm 12 miles from a Chevy dealer. Closest Mazda dealer is two hours. I think there is a Porsche dealer within 6 hours. Alfa? I don't even know. Maybe this is an old way of thinking that doesn't really matter, but it would make life a lot easier. 

Similar situation here, but I have to drive 4+ hours to get to Mazda. The ease of service is actually one of the pluses of a LS Miata versus a turbo four - despite the fact that it's more heavily modified, it can be easier to get parts for the mutant.

However, that may or may not be of any value. Ever ask a GTR owner what it's like getting their car serviced at a Nissan dealership? That's a more complex car than the Corvette which is a fairly familiar thing if you pretend the engine is under the hood instead of in the back seat, though.

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