Coming this Fall: The New Toyota GR 86

And again, the Toyota/Scion version has a better front fascia than the BRZ. 

If I don't end up going crazy and getting a 981 S, it will be one of these two most likely.

z31maniac said:

And again, the Toyota/Scion version has a better front fascia than the BRZ. 

If I don't end up going crazy and getting a 981 S, it will be one of these two most likely.

Interesting.  I like the BRZ front end better this time around.  It's a little bit Porsche-like, while the grille on the Toyota version looks a little bit flat to me, almost like it got punched in the face. 

rslifkin said:

z31maniac said:

And again, the Toyota/Scion version has a better front fascia than the BRZ. 

If I don't end up going crazy and getting a 981 S, it will be one of these two most likely.

Interesting.  I like the BRZ front end better this time around.  It's a little bit Porsche-like, while the grille on the Toyota version looks a little bit flat to me, almost like it got punched in the face. 

The BRZ was growing on me and I agree it looks Porsche-y. But I like the less fussy look of the GR.

z31maniac said:

rslifkin said:

z31maniac said:

And again, the Toyota/Scion version has a better front fascia than the BRZ. 

If I don't end up going crazy and getting a 981 S, it will be one of these two most likely.

Interesting.  I like the BRZ front end better this time around.  It's a little bit Porsche-like, while the grille on the Toyota version looks a little bit flat to me, almost like it got punched in the face. 

The BRZ was growing on me and I agree it looks Porsche-y. But I like the less fussy look of the GR.

Agree 100% 

toyota looks better 

get your Porsche ! 

The brz kind of looks like a porsche macan

Wait, GR-86? Why the R? Is this a Gazoo product?

mr2s2000elise said:

z31maniac said:

rslifkin said:

z31maniac said:

And again, the Toyota/Scion version has a better front fascia than the BRZ. 

If I don't end up going crazy and getting a 981 S, it will be one of these two most likely.

Interesting.  I like the BRZ front end better this time around.  It's a little bit Porsche-like, while the grille on the Toyota version looks a little bit flat to me, almost like it got punched in the face. 

The BRZ was growing on me and I agree it looks Porsche-y. But I like the less fussy look of the GR.

Agree 100% 

toyota looks better 

 

 

get your Porsche ! 

I did a ton of searching over the weekend. I'm not sure if I want to spend the money it's going to take to get one in the condition/miles/options I want. Have to see if prices calm down as it starts to cool down.

In reply to spandak :

Yeah, it's being grouped into the "GR Lineup" alongside the Supra and the bonkers version of the Yaris we don't get.

I like the grill of the 86 more but the potential to add functional brake ducts on the brz side inserts. 

If you want either one, act quickly, as I suspect it'll be a short production run once the 400z comes out. Which is ashame as the new frisbee running E85 likely checks nearly all the boxes.

In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :

I suspect a 400Z optioned the way most will want is going to push it past the $40k mark. The base has little more than AC and cruise control.

Less than $30k vs more than $40k is very different for guys pushing to afford a twin. On the average note that's a $200+/month difference in payment. 

Does it look a bit 370Z to anyone else? 

David S. Wallens said:

Does it look a bit 370Z to anyone else? 

In the rear end, yeah

captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

I like the grill of the 86 more but the potential to add functional brake ducts on the brz side inserts. 

 

If you want either one, act quickly, as I suspect it'll be a short production run once the 400z comes out. Which is ashame as the new frisbee running E85 likely checks nearly all the boxes.

Why would the Nissan have anything to do with these? Different categories of car and I forsee Nissan dealerships slapping the old razzle dazzle dealer mark up on the 400Z once it hits lots since that is the trendy thing to do. 

I'm surprised Subaru is still carrying on with these in the first place. They've almost completely ostracized their core customer base which helped carry the brands popularity over the years by mainly focusing on CUVs and letting the BRZ, WRX, and STI be stagnant. 

Colin Wood said:

In reply to spandak :

Yeah, it's being grouped into the "GR Lineup" alongside the Supra and the bonkers version of the Yaris we don't get.

I was hoping that this would be a step up from the regular FR-S, with Toyota turning up the wick on these cars as far as they'd gone with a GR Yaris compared to a regular Yaris.

Looks like a cross between a Porsche 911 and a Miata. 

I like it. 

MadScientistMatt said:

Colin Wood said:

In reply to spandak :

Yeah, it's being grouped into the "GR Lineup" alongside the Supra and the bonkers version of the Yaris we don't get.

I was hoping that this would be a step up from the regular FR-S, with Toyota turning up the wick on these cars as far as they'd gone with a GR Yaris compared to a regular Yaris.

Wait a minute. There's a bonkers version of the Yaris?? Why don't we get it?

I dig it. But not enough to ditch my FR-S.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

MadScientistMatt said:

Colin Wood said:

In reply to spandak :

Yeah, it's being grouped into the "GR Lineup" alongside the Supra and the bonkers version of the Yaris we don't get.

I was hoping that this would be a step up from the regular FR-S, with Toyota turning up the wick on these cars as far as they'd gone with a GR Yaris compared to a regular Yaris.

Wait a minute. There's a bonkers version of the Yaris?? Why don't we get it?

Because we don't get any Yarises (Yarii?) anymore. But it is a homolagation rally car special with 268hp and AWD for the stillborn GR Yaris WRC.

There is also most likely a GR Corolla Hatchback on the way. Like 99.9% certain. 

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

MadScientistMatt said:

Colin Wood said:

In reply to spandak :

Yeah, it's being grouped into the "GR Lineup" alongside the Supra and the bonkers version of the Yaris we don't get.

I was hoping that this would be a step up from the regular FR-S, with Toyota turning up the wick on these cars as far as they'd gone with a GR Yaris compared to a regular Yaris.

Wait a minute. There's a bonkers version of the Yaris?? Why don't we get it?

Look up "GR Yaris".

And because apparently "we" don't like small bonkers cars.

In reply to BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) :

We like small, bonkers cars. We just don't seem to buy them in significant quantities. 

In reply to David S. Wallens :

"We" as in the members of this forum do, I would think. But I don't think there's enough of us.

z31maniac said:

toyota looks better 

 

 

get your Porsche ! 

I did a ton of searching over the weekend. I'm not sure if I want to spend the money it's going to take to get one in the condition/miles/options I want. Have to see if prices calm down as it starts to cool down.

Bummer. What are you going to buy then? 

I have to say, while the new specs look promising and its cool to see Toyota and Subaru commit to a second generation of these cars, the styling on both of these is not good. The greenhouse, quarter panels and doors look like they haven't been changed from the first gen and the new front and rear treatments have a different styling language that clashes pretty badly. It's a tonally jarring car to the eye.

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

"We" as in the members of this forum do, I would think. But I don't think there's enough of us.

And even many on this forum don't buy new. Then complain that no companies offer anything they want, without realizing the companies don't care if you buy used. Buying new is what makes the business case for them. 

mr2s2000elise said:

z31maniac said:

toyota looks better 

 

 

get your Porsche ! 

I did a ton of searching over the weekend. I'm not sure if I want to spend the money it's going to take to get one in the condition/miles/options I want. Have to see if prices calm down as it starts to cool down.

Bummer. What are you going to buy then? 

Not sure yet. A low mileage, properly optioned 981 S in great shape is currently a $50k+ proposition. That's a stout price for a car with no warranty. 

But I know how much I enjoyed my last BRZ, so the new one at the same weight, with more power and much wider powerband is very tempting. Especially at the price. 

Multiple websites are claiming the GR86 is getting a WHOPPING 4 hp increase over the BRZ to 232 hp.

z31maniac said:

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

"We" as in the members of this forum do, I would think. But I don't think there's enough of us.

And even many on this forum don't buy new. Then complain that no companies offer anything they want, without realizing the companies don't care if you buy used. Buying new is what makes the business case for them. 

We used to have a Mazda 2 which is the same as the Yaris. It was purchased new. When it was totalled we went back to the Mazda dealer and they didn't have Mazda 2s anymore so it was replaced by a new Honda CRV. I was actually on Copart today looking at Mazda 2s  that could be rebuilt as rallycross cars. I actually miss the little guy. 

Did you know that an Alaskan Malamute will fit in the back seat of a Mazda 2? I own two other cars he didn't fit into. 

I guess the styling is okay, until you reach the rear........what the hell is that all about ??

I assume one committee designed the taillights, one designed the lowers, and a third designed what I suppose is a deck/trunk/hatch lid.

Probable the same group responsible  for the Lexus RX front end. Damn, Toyota, get some new stylists that aren't on drugs.  I've tried like crazy to like the latest Supra, but I just can't do it.........

Got hit with the ugly stick like the BRZ, but not quite as many times... 1st gen of either is much better and unique visually. Aftermarket bumpers and body kits may be a blessing for 2nd gen owners...

I'm glad they continued on for a 2nd generation.  I prefer the first generation's styling though. Did they raise the belt line? The first gens looked very low and wide, these look.... plump? Frumpy? Are they the same height? Something is off and I can't put my finger on it. 

I think it would look better if some of that black plastic was color matched to the rest of the car.  And then sink a couple big round Hella driving lights through the mesh grill.  Finally, paint the wheels gold, and that's pretty much all fixed.

Imagine if the Supra had been this car with a stretched nose like the old days and one of Toyota's V6 engines up front.  Probably a manual trans somewhere that they could have used as well.  

Taillights remind me of the later Buicks

I'm just glad we'll have a long term supply of great handling rwd cars that will have bad motors & ripe for the K swap.  FR-SK /BRZK .  Hey that's frisky & bezerk. 

nobody cares, give us the yaris GR!

I agree with someone's previous post that this looks like a Miata and Porsche had a baby. I totally dig it! I'll be anxious to see if there's any significant mark up on it when released and I might very well be in the market for one. 

Edit: Also agree, I'd completely ignore this is we could get the GR Yaris! I'd literally be at the dealer tomorrow with money if I could get one of those things!

malibuguy said:

Taillights remind me of the later Buicks

I agree.  But I also don't think that's a bad thing. The styling isn't  bad at all. 

I'm honestly shocked by the number of people who dislike the styling of the second generation frisbees. 

Do they look as like they were lifted from the latest version of GTA where Rockstar doesn't pay for licensing so they combine aspects of 2-3 vehicles for design cues, absolutely. But is it actually terrible? Not at all. 

I doubt it'll happen, but I'd like to buy one. I can see a slight possibility but it's a long shot. Still, a guy can dream. I'd take it in green. 

In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :

I'm going to go up to the Toyota dealer before the end of the week and see if they will let me put down a deposit and choose the first color I like that shows up at the dealer. 

In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :

I can't unsee this now, and I'm not that upset really. 

DirtyBird222 said:

I'm surprised Subaru is still carrying on with these in the first place. They've almost completely ostracized their core customer base which helped carry the brands popularity over the years by mainly focusing on CUVs and letting the BRZ, WRX, and STI be stagnant. 

This exactly. I like the other Subies too but damn...........the WRX/STi are old now. Especially when the new Turbo Accord is winning the acceleration contest against the WRX.

I hate that they dont make their own cars. Fanboi less every year. 

In reply to mblommel :

Does seem there's a little less window/higher belt line...but not that much of a difference. Hood line/front fender is a tad higher...along with less pronounced front fender bulges. There's also no more front fender garnish/vent. Went from svelte to a little plump in appearance, more bloated and less sculpted in appearance... kind of like difference between 1st and 2nd gen Eclipse (but not as bad). That 'civic' rear end though... no excuse for that visual change on the GR 86, biggest visual turn off for me.

David S. Wallens said:

In reply to BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) :

We like small, bonkers cars. We just don't seem to buy them in significant quantities. 

I'd be willing to do my share this year.

Late to the party, but I like both versions.  Yes I see Porsche in the Scoobie and 370Z in the Yota and that's no bad thing.  They both have their merits

There's zero chance we'll ever see the Yaris GR here, even if the base Yaris was still sold here.  It's just about the most radical car since the Escort Cosworth or Isuzu VehiCROSS.  It's barely related to a base Yaris, same front structure, then a unique three door body with lower roof line, different floor pan for 4WD and then that nut's crazy power train.  I bet prices used will go through the roof in 25 years once they can be imported.  It's way beyond any homologation special from the good old days, and it's a sort of reverse homologation special as they aren't really needed with modern race and rally rules.

rslifkin said:

z31maniac said:

And again, the Toyota/Scion version has a better front fascia than the BRZ. 

If I don't end up going crazy and getting a 981 S, it will be one of these two most likely.

Interesting.  I like the BRZ front end better this time around.  It's a little bit Porsche-like, while the grille on the Toyota version looks a little bit flat to me, almost like it got punched in the face. 

If you want to talk face, the BRZ looks like a Mazda 3 with jowls.

Weird how the FRS has a scowling look while the BRZ has a happy look.  Like the "At first I was like... But then I LOL'd" meme.

DirtyBird222 said:

captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

I like the grill of the 86 more but the potential to add functional brake ducts on the brz side inserts. 

 

If you want either one, act quickly, as I suspect it'll be a short production run once the 400z comes out. Which is ashame as the new frisbee running E85 likely checks nearly all the boxes.

Why would the Nissan have anything to do with these? Different categories of car and I forsee Nissan dealerships slapping the old razzle dazzle dealer mark up on the 400Z once it hits lots since that is the trendy thing to do. 

I'm surprised Subaru is still carrying on with these in the first place. They've almost completely ostracized their core customer base which helped carry the brands popularity over the years by mainly focusing on CUVs and letting the BRZ, WRX, and STI be stagnant. 

You see the WRX and STi, but it was the Legacy Outback (the trim level before Outback was its own model) and Forester that sold like hotcakes, that allowed them to continue to sell warranty-nightmare performance cars.

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

You see the WRX and STi, but it was the Legacy Outback (the trim level before Outback was its own model) and Forester that sold like hotcakes, that allowed them to continue to sell warranty-nightmare performance cars.

Agreed.  And don't forget the tons of base Imprezas, Legacies and Outback Sports they sold as well. 

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

......that allowed them to continue to sell warranty-nightmare performance cars.

 

It's funny how life works, everyone I know who's owned a Scoobie of any description has never done anything except put gas in them and do oil changes.  I know my group size isn't statistically relevant, but the real world doesn't highlights the warranty nightmare people claim.  Same is true with VW's, despite the rep they just keep driving well over 10 years and 100k miles with noting except a non functioning gas gauge.  Now older MINI's and BMW's, they seem to have more issues with owners I know.  

In reply to Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) :

"warranty nightmare" meaning " I was Just Driving Along(*) a couple days ago (**) when something broke, can you un break it for me pls"

* - Dumping the clutch at redline for the sixth time that day

** - Would have towed it to the dealership sooner, but it takes time to remove the boost controller, and reinstall the OE exhaust and tune

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

"We" as in the members of this forum do, I would think. But I don't think there's enough of us.

No, because a large cross section of that crowd thinks that buying brand new cars is for suckers and insists on only ever buying used...

...while nonironically complaining that manufacturers don't make cars they like any more.

In reply to Duke :

I'd go into crushing debt for a GR Yaris...

Duke said:

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

"We" as in the members of this forum do, I would think. But I don't think there's enough of us.

No, because a large cross section of that crowd thinks that buying brand new cars is for suckers and insists on only ever buying used...

...while nonironically complaining that manufacturers don't make cars they like any more.

 

Yep, say it all the time. Especially with the reputation many owners for this platform have, I'd prefer to buy new.

Unless I was buying something to KSwap.

Duke said:

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

"We" as in the members of this forum do, I would think. But I don't think there's enough of us.

No, because a large cross section of that crowd thinks that buying brand new cars is for suckers and insists on only ever buying used...

...while nonironically complaining that manufacturers don't make cars they like any more.

 

Yup. Sadly the OEs haven't figured out to build used cars.