ICYMI: Honda teases us with its next Civic Type R, calls it the most powerful U.S.-market Honda ever

David S.
By David S. Wallens
Jul 12, 2022 | Honda

Yeah, we realize, it’s not much: some headlights, the grille and that red R.

Other than this photo, Honda only offers this: “The most powerful Honda-branded production vehicle ever offered in the U.S."

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trucke
trucke SuperDork
7/12/22 9:52 a.m.

Sounds like it will be an awesome machine.  Honda has been struggling to build cars, so I'm not sure how feasible it will be to get your hands on one, and still be able to retire someday!

tremm
tremm Reader
7/12/22 10:08 a.m.

I wonder what the most powerful US Honda's are. My thought was RL, but that's Acura I guess. Maybe some v6 Accord? 

hunter47
hunter47 Reader
7/12/22 11:15 a.m.

In reply to tremm :

If we're talking Acura, then NSX (NC1).

Honda based then whatever came with a V6 and wasn't a C/SUV

trucke
trucke SuperDork
7/12/22 11:23 a.m.

Honda V6's are in the 278 hp range.  Type R is 306 hp, so it is the most powerful Honda badged car sold in the USA and has been marketed as such.  Until July 20.

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
7/12/22 1:56 p.m.

I'm all about badass FWD cars, but I also think it's humorous that genre cars are now being marketed exactly like superhero movies. First me get a tease of a logo or some minor details, then a full character shot, then a teaser for a teaser, then the actual teaser, then the trailer, then the project gets delayed, so we get nothing for a while, then we hear about revisions, then a revised teaser, then a revised trailer, then insiders start posting spoilers online, then weirdos start making up fake spoilers online, then the product launches but we barely notice because we're already at step 4 for the next big rollout.

Anyway, give it a little more capacity for front camber and I'm totally in.

infinitenexus
infinitenexus Dork
7/12/22 2:04 p.m.

I want to like it but I fear it'll be a 3300lb 4-door sedan with horrific boyracer bodywork.

TGMF
TGMF HalfDork
7/12/22 3:29 p.m.

“The most powerful Honda-branded production vehicle ever offered in the U.S"

Did Honda forget about the Honda Jet?  Or should I be expecting some serious thrust on this thing?

 

 

I am quite excited about this car. I liked the current one, but the boy racer styling kinda killed it for me. Here's to hoping they can pump enough of these things out that there's some availbility without the dealerships dicking around. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/12/22 4:03 p.m.

Still the biggest thing for me regarding the current Type R: For how fast it is, it's quite comfortable, too. 

calteg
calteg SuperDork
7/12/22 5:51 p.m.

I really want to like it, but I'm old enough now where a 2.0T Accord sport with a tune looks like a "close enough" alternative....without the $10k markup

superfund
superfund New Reader
7/12/22 6:11 p.m.

I actually just saw one I think, the hatch was open so I couldn't see any wings or anything but the triple exhaust is still a thing. 

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
7/12/22 6:46 p.m.

Wow - imagine trying to buy one.  
 

Andy Neuman
Andy Neuman SuperDork
7/12/22 7:06 p.m.

Can we actually order one without worrying about dealer markup? 

MotorsportsGordon
MotorsportsGordon Dork
7/12/22 9:49 p.m.
infinitenexus said:

I want to like it but I fear it'll be a 3300lb 4-door sedan with horrific boyracer bodywork.

They way it's been lately With the type r it will have the same or maybe a tiny bit more horsepower but more weight 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/13/22 9:52 a.m.

In reply to Andy Neuman :

That I don't know. 

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand UberDork
7/13/22 10:12 a.m.

At least it makes the current gen look good now 

gearheadE30
gearheadE30 Dork
7/13/22 11:18 a.m.

More power does not automatically a fun car make.

fatallightning
fatallightning Reader
7/13/22 11:22 a.m.
infinitenexus said:

I want to like it but I fear it'll be a 3300lb 4-door sedan with horrific boyracer bodywork.

I think it may actually be more restrained, if what the more normal level Civics are a sign.

gearheadE30
gearheadE30 Dork
7/13/22 2:15 p.m.
fatallightning said:
infinitenexus said:

I want to like it but I fear it'll be a 3300lb 4-door sedan with horrific boyracer bodywork.

I think it may actually be more restrained, if what the more normal level Civics are a sign.

And at least from the front, the new normal/Si Civics look pretty darn good out in the wild. Orange ones have twice unexpectedly made me do a double take to see what it was. Especially the sedan. The hatch has a bit too much Panamera humpback to it, as much as I love hatchbacks.

MotorsportsGordon
MotorsportsGordon Dork
7/13/22 5:09 p.m.
gearheadE30 said:

More power does not automatically a fun car make.

Except Honda keeps making the car heavier without adding more power 

fatallightning
fatallightning Reader
7/14/22 2:11 p.m.

Evidently leaked. Maybe too demure honestly. 

pheller
pheller UltimaDork
7/14/22 2:27 p.m.

The Civic had been dead to me since Honda killed the hatchback. The liftback just doesn't do it for me. 

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
7/14/22 4:03 p.m.
JG Pasterjak said:

I'm all about badass FWD cars, but I also think it's humorous that genre cars are now being marketed exactly like superhero movies. First me get a tease of a logo or some minor details, then a full character shot, then a teaser for a teaser, then the actual teaser, then the trailer, then the project gets delayed, so we get nothing for a while, then we hear about revisions, then a revised teaser, then a revised trailer, then insiders start posting spoilers online, then weirdos start making up fake spoilers online, then the product launches but we barely notice because we're already at step 4 for the next big rollout.

Anyway, give it a little more capacity for front camber and I'm totally in.

They've been teasing us with teasers since January 14th. Lots of camo shots and reveals around the world with some videos from Suzuka. Such a long and drawn out process that I lost all interests in this car. Couple that with Honda having an extremely difficult time putting cars on lots and Honda/Acura dealers adding crazy markups. I bet we see the first lot of Type Rs going for $70k at most dealerships. 

I really can't wait for the car market to crash. 

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
7/14/22 4:41 p.m.
infinitenexus said:

I want to like it but I fear it'll be a 3300lb 4-door sedan with horrific boyracer bodywork.

Current Si is still under 3000lbs, so I would be very surprised if they find a way to add that much weight. They also don't sell an Si hatchback specifically because the Type-R is hatchback only (which I don't really get, but fine, whatever).

Jury's out on the styling though.

MotorsportsGordon
MotorsportsGordon Dork
7/15/22 10:46 a.m.
fatallightning said:

Evidently leaked. Maybe too demure honestly. 

I see the new integra more then I see a type r

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
7/15/22 11:25 a.m.
pheller said:

The Civic had been dead to me since Honda killed the hatchback. The liftback just doesn't do it for me. 

The Civic has been dead to me since they removed double wishbones. Also when they turned into Accords.

fatallightning
fatallightning Reader
7/15/22 1:49 p.m.

In reply to MotorsportsGordon :

Seconded. Not in a good way.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
7/15/22 2:16 p.m.
MotorsportsGordon said:
fatallightning said:

Evidently leaked. Maybe too demure honestly. 

I see the new integra more then I see a type r

It's wild - you wouldn't think two cars based on the same platform would look anything alike. 

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
7/15/22 2:32 p.m.

I will never stop laughing at the fact that we are getting what is probably the last wave of semi-affordable performance ICE vehicles ever, and all people do is complain.

Personally, I like it for what it is. It looks a hell of a lot better than the outgoing model, and recalls the purity of the early Type Rs.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
7/15/22 3:20 p.m.

My only complaint is at Honda's slow roll marketing campaign and how dealers will make it an absolute nightmare to procure. 

I wouldn't write off ICE just yet either. Producing EVs and driving them around still leaves a big carbon footprint despite what the propaganda leads you to believe. 

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
7/15/22 5:34 p.m.

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think ICEs are going to disappear anytime soon, but most of the big automakers have basically said that they're done developing new ICE platforms and powertrains, so it's probably going to just be iterations on what we're getting right now from here on out.

Regarding your other point, Honda dealers were famously difficult even before the recent auto market nonsense. I definitely agree that this is a car I'd realistically consider if I could just go buy one for a mid-$30k MSRP, but that's basically a pipe dream.

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