ICYMI: Honda, GM plans to sell joint-developed EVs in 2027

Colin
By Colin Wood
Apr 5, 2022 | Honda, GM, Electric Cars, Ultium

Photograph Courtesy Honda ​​​​​​​• Illustration by Colin Wood

One way to keep future electric cars inexpensive? Co-develop them with another car company–at least that’s what Honda and GM are banking on:

The companies [Honda and GM] are working together to enable global production of millions of EVs starting in 2027, including compact crossover vehicles, leveraging the two companies’ technology, design and sourcing strategies. The companies will also work toward standardizing equipment and processes to achieve world-class quality, higher throughput and greater affordability. The compact crossover segment is the largest in the world, with annual volumes of more than 13 million vehicles.

Besides the aforementioned “compact crossover vehicles,” no specific details are offered as to what sort of vehicles we could expect to see in five years, though we do know that they’ll be sporting GM’s Ultium battery tech.

As well, the release notes that both companies will discuss future collaboration opportunities in order to “drive down the cost of electrification, improve performance and drive sustainability for future vehicles.”

What sort of cars are you hoping to see–and what sort of cars do you think we’ll actually get–out of this EV joint venture?

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tremm
tremm Reader
4/5/22 4:56 p.m.

Are co-developed cars ever better than the best of the two companies?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/5/22 6:23 p.m.

Well, sometimes they make the cars possible when they wouldn't have been otherwise. So, yes?

I think this is good. GM's good at powertrains. GM's not good at a lot of other stuff that Honda is good at. These are two really big companies, which means a lot of volume which bodes well for cost and servicing. This could go well.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
4/5/22 10:34 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Also, another opportunity for Colin to Photoshop a battery onto a car. 

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/5/22 10:41 p.m.

I'd like to take this moment to remind everyone of the last Honda/GM joint venture, the Saturn Vue with the CVT...

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/6/22 12:45 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Also, another opportunity for Colin to Photoshop a battery onto a car. 

It was so well done I thought that was a prototype!

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
4/6/22 8:40 a.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

I'll never pass up the chance.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
4/6/22 9:24 a.m.
Javelin said:

I'd like to take this moment to remind everyone of the last Honda/GM joint venture, the Saturn Vue with the CVT...

Not so much a joint venture.  GM used Honda V6/Automatics in the VUEs. 

The CVT was awful, but unrelated to Honda.  I guess I shouldn't find this part suprising (from wikipedia) "The VTi is assembled at a General Motors/Fiat joint venture plant"

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
4/6/22 10:25 a.m.

The Vibe/Matrix worked very well for both GM and Toyota. I can see this working if they do it well. If it results in an EV Odyssey with 400 miles of range for $30K, I am in. I'd also accept a Civic EV (esp hatch) with Bolt-esque specs. If it results in a Honda badged Equinox with 250 miles of range for $40K, I am out.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/6/22 11:14 a.m.

A Honda badged Equinox for $40k with 250 miles of range is pretty much exactly what the mass market wants.
 

400 miles of range in an EV Odyssey for $30k will never happen, the economics don't work. The MSRP of the ICE Odyssey is 10% higher than that. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
4/6/22 11:32 a.m.

Agreed on both of Keith's points.

I wouldn't mind a Civic Si hatch with a bolt-ish drivetrain though.  But again, not for $40k.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
4/6/22 11:50 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:

A Honda badged Equinox for $40k with 250 miles of range is pretty much exactly what the mass market wants.
 

400 miles of range in an EV Odyssey for $30k will never happen, the economics don't work. The MSRP of the ICE Odyssey is 10% higher than that. 

I didn't speak for the mass market, I spoke for me. Check back with me in a decade on the last line, though, and adjust for inflation.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/6/22 4:01 p.m.

Sure, if we're allowed to adjust for inflation...maybe. We know that people don't really do that with car prices :) 

I don't believe in the magic battery that's always 2 years away from a lab demo. I don't think the market will pay the significant premium to get 400 miles of range over 250-300, and there will always be a price premium for extra range. Will the market demand that? I do mean the mass market, not you, because there's a lot more profit in selling more than one of something after all that R&D. 

Seeing the market decide on the best trade off between purchase price and range is going to be interesting as more people experience EV road trips and daily life. Right now, it's the perceived weakness so it's what everyone focuses on. But after some experience, will they be willing to pay extra to avoid an occasional extra stop on a road trip? We shall find out. 

MyMiatas
MyMiatas New Reader
4/7/22 10:53 p.m.

How about this.... Give us a car that you can drive 600 miles. That doesn't have GPS,Internet,TVs for passengers/driver and all the other things that modern autos have. Why the he'll they have all that crap oh wait I forgot. MONEY to be made by others. Cars would be more affordable and drive further without all the extras sucking on the battery.

 But I just see in 2030 is large 4 door SUV's & huge trucks all electric with one person in it , only able to get 100-200 miles before a charge.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/7/22 11:09 p.m.

I think you overestimate the draw of all the crap that modern autos have versus the amount of energy required to motivate it down the road. There's an enormous difference. Moving a car is a huge energy suck compared to the hotel load.

What people will have discovered by 2030 is that you simply don't need to pay for 600 miles worth of battery. 

MyMiatas
MyMiatas New Reader
4/10/22 5:35 p.m.

I would have to imagine all the stops for a recharge is to keep it safe for drivers. They don't want you to drive from let say Denver to Milwaukee in 24 hours..  

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