The curb weight is....?
The 2016 rendition is engineered to focus on saving weight.
As Mazda has already announced, the MX-5 will be available for the U.S. market with a 2.0-liter engine.
The chassis greatly resembles the original.
The drivetrain, again, is similar to the original. A power plant frame keeps the front and rear in line.
As the MX-5 has always been since its launch in 1990, the 2016 rendition is engineered to focus on saving weight to provide both the most dynamic, iconic driving experience possible, and improved fuel efficiency and safety. As Mazda has already announced, the MX-5 will be available for the U.S. market with a 2.0-liter engine. The estimated output of this engine is 155 horsepower and 148 lb-ft of torque. The car also also sheds approximately 150 pounds (depending on specs) versus its predecessor.
Body type: Open-top sports car
Seating capacity: 2 persons
Overall length x width x height: 154.1in X 68.1in X 49.0in
Wheelbase: 91.1in
Engine: SKYACTIV-G 2.0-liter direct-injection gasoline engine
Power: 155 HP
Torque: 148 lb-ft
Transmissions: SKYACTIV-MT six-speed manual transmission, six-speed automatic
Front suspension: Double wishbone
Rear suspension: Multilink
Steering: Electric Power Assisted Rack & Pinion Steering (EPAS)
Brakes (front/rear): Ventilated discs / Solid discs
Tires: 205/45R17 Club and GT. 195/50R16 Sport Trim
The curb weight is....?
I too wonder about curb weight. So I went "Read the rest of the story" & "View original news post." In each instance I got the 404 message.
As instructed, I'm asking you to update your link so it goes someplace.
2015 Mazda 3 with the 2.0 direct injected 4 will get 30 city and 40 highway. Hopefully the new Miata will be equally efficient.
That works out to 2200-2300lbs vs. an NC. They were clever not to make any dazzling weight promises earlier on - there was some early talk of it weighing less than an NA, but no numbers. On the other hand, the Toyobaru concept's weight in GT5 was listed as 2100lbs...
In reply to PHeller:You're correct. The Mazda 3 actually does turn that fuel mileage in real life. I don't recall ever buying another car that delivered the gas mileage the sticker said it would.
mmm mmm mmm mmm. It really is just a matter of time before I get a miata, isn't it?
GameboyRMH wrote: That works out to 2200-2300lbs vs. an NC. They were clever not to make any dazzling weight promises earlier on - there was some early talk of it weighing less than an NA, but no numbers. On the other hand, the Toyobaru concept's weight in GT5 was listed as 2100lbs...
2200 is less than an NA -- a '97 at least.
155hp from a 2.0? I see no work on that engine has been done at all. Thems early 90s numbers.
So Mazda is releasing an engine in a performance orientated vehicle that is inferior(or equal) in performance to SR20DE engines from 1991.
I thought DI allowed for higher compression ratio hence more performance? Or did they just dump a commuter car engine in and call it a day? Was hoping more aggressive looks meant more aggressive motor.
edit: Estimated output.... here's hoping that they just don't dump a Mazda 3 engine in.
155hp? Given the 2014 spec's out a 167hp 2.0..... That damn thing should be at least 200hp....
Am I the only one here not sold on the new Miata. It looks like a Z4 to me, but I'll wait until I see one in person.
Ranger50 wrote: 155hp? Given the 2014 spec's out a 167hp 2.0..... That damn thing should be at least 200hp....
Yes, it makes no sense. I imagine it have 0 top end and/or low revs like 6000rpm. Not very sporting at all.
racerdave600 wrote: It looks like a Z4 to me, but I'll wait until I see one in person.
That's the new Mustang....
kanaric wrote:Ranger50 wrote: 155hp? Given the 2014 spec's out a 167hp 2.0..... That damn thing should be at least 200hp....Yes, it makes no sense. I imagine it have 0 top end and/or low revs like 6000rpm. Not very sporting at all.
If it gets 40mpg and has a fairly strong midrange then it will be perfect for the overwhelming majority of people that buy Miatas new. There is a significant disconnect between people that buy them new and those that buy them at 15+ years old to race.
kanaric wrote: Or did they just dump a commuter car engine in and call it a day?
Just like the original? 
Appleseed wrote:kanaric wrote: Or did they just dump a commuter car engine in and call it a day?Just like the original?
Well back then their DOHC engine at 1.6l and 1.8 were more than just regular commuter car engines. They were not base engines in those cars that they were in, they were the more performance orientated engine.
This engine is the standard run of the mill Mazda 323 engine. If this were 1991 it would be SOHC even. Making the choice in the FRS look good. Wow, think of how E36 M3ty that car could have been if they just put a NA Impreza engine in.
Hopefully Fiat puts a 1.4l turbo in it. Hilarious that this would be an improvement.
This engine is inferior to the previous generations. It's a step backward. DI should be more economy AND more power. Not resulting in anemia and malaise, well it's japan so malaise is a given I guess.
What's funny is that 20 year old SR20DE I bet in a 2300lb car would have similar economy as well.
Rather than making the miata "special", I'd rather them make it less special and sell it for cheaper. Complete parts-bin engineering type deal. Sell them for $25k or less. Then I could understand 155hp.
If a Mazda 2 sells for $10-$12k, is it not fair to say a miata COULD sell for ~$20k? Wadunno. Apparently its impossible for that to happen as the people "in the know" on the boards say.
Rupert wrote: In reply to PHeller:You're correct. The Mazda 3 actually does turn that fuel mileage in real life. I don't recall ever buying another car that delivered the gas mileage the sticker said it would.
FWD drivetrains are more efficient due to less drivetrain loss, so a RWD Miata won't be able to reach those levels, especially with the top down. Just pure physics.
Ranger50 wrote: 155hp? Given the 2014 spec's out a 167hp 2.0..... That damn thing should be at least 200hp....
I suspect the change in orientation for the engine may have caused some of the changes in power output.
Also they were targeting for a similar feel and experience to the original NA, which is why they've not pushed the power angle too much on the Miata.
These are just my thoughts and opinions.
turboswede wrote:Rupert wrote: In reply to PHeller:You're correct. The Mazda 3 actually does turn that fuel mileage in real life. I don't recall ever buying another car that delivered the gas mileage the sticker said it would.FWD drivetrains are more efficient due to less drivetrain loss, so a RWD Miata won't be able to reach those levels, especially with the top down. Just pure physics.
Heck I'll be saving my pennies even if it gets 37mpg highway.
If it gets high 30's a lot more enthusiasts will be able to claim to spouses its a commuter car = win
I don't care if it can get 100HP/liter. If it can knock back similar MPG to the 3 with the same engine, it's a success in my book.
If that comes to pass and they also release a PRHT version like the NC, I will put a deposit down and order one.
HiTempguy wrote: Rather than making the miata "special", I'd rather them make it less special and sell it for cheaper. Complete parts-bin engineering type deal.
You own a Solstice, right?
Appleseed wrote:HiTempguy wrote: Rather than making the miata "special", I'd rather them make it less special and sell it for cheaper. Complete parts-bin engineering type deal.You own a Solstice, right?
Coulda woulda shoulda. GM, unlike Ford, was allowing 0% financing AND blowing out the Cobalt SS and GXP Solstice. I had just graduated from school in that era, no monies :(
I would kill for a Cobalt SS/T sedan...
racerdave600 wrote: Am I the only one here not sold on the new Miata. It looks like a Z4 to me, but I'll wait until I see one in person.
I'm not sold on it either but am also waiting until I see it in person.
They led off with weight, and have released every spec but weight. I'm not screaming the sky is falling at 155hp, yet. Proof is in the pudding...roll one of those things across the scales. If it's geared short enough and light enough, it'll be a riot. At 155hp, every pound counts. You'll feel the difference between half a tank and a full tank of gas...or maybe even between meals.
heaven forbid you have to row the gears opposed to letting the torque iin 3rd and 4th gear carry you everywhere in life. As long as Keith can work some magic with it everything will be ok.
I was much more enthused when they were talking about a 1.2l turbo engine.
captdownshift wrote: heaven forbid you have to row the gears opposed to letting the torque iin 3rd and 4th gear carry you everywhere in life. As long as Keith can work some magic with it everything will be ok.
And other venders like Fast Forward Superchargers.
The picture that is emerging to me is a car that is smaller and lighter than the NC its replacing. The overall size and weight are will be fairly close to original NA. The early driving reviews are that it feels very much like NA. The prices, adjusted for inflation, may very well be in the same ball park as the original.
If this all happens, I think is a really great achievement. Think about how much safety, emission, and efficiency regulations have increase world wide. Everyone on this board that has ever lamented about how the car companies keep making everything bigger and heavier should be applauding. It looks like you are getting your wish.
As far the horsepower numbers, my 1.6 2300 pound NA may have as much 115 horsepower at the flywheel. It puts a big smile on my face when I go to an autocross or drive it with the top down. You don't have to dig far into the archives of this board to find people extoling the fun of driving a slow car fast.
I am looking forward being able to sit in and test drive an ND. It not may not be everything I ever wanted in a sports car. If it delivers the smiles-per-hour and smiles-per-gallon I have gotten from my current car, I will be seriously looking at buying one.
Type Q wrote: As far the horsepower numbers, my 1.6 2300 pound NA may have as much 115 horsepower at the flywheel. It puts a big smile on my face when I go to an autocross or drive it with the top down. You don't have to dig far into the archives of this board to find people extolling the fun of driving a slow car fast. I am looking forward being able to sit in and test drive an ND. It not may not be everything I ever wanted in a sports car. If it delivers the smiles-per-hour and smiles-per-gallon I have gotten from my current car, I will be seriously looking at buying one.
This^^^ 100%
Ranger50 wrote: 155hp? Given the 2014 spec's out a 167hp 2.0..... That damn thing should be at least 200hp....
yeah this has me bothersome. Or it will be like the mazda 2. HP rated at 100 and it dynos at like 92-95whp. Maybe its rated at 155hp and dynos at 150whp? sandbaggers...
Late to the party, but all of you comparing this engine to the SR20DE really need to ditch the rose-colored glasses and read up on some things. The SR20DE was listed at 140hp and 132 lb-ft of torque. The Skyactiv 2.0 is 155 hp, 150 lb-ft (peaking 800 rpm lower than the SR20DE, and probably producing more everywhere overall).
SR20DE cams got smaller through the 90s for emissions reasons.
That's (variously) a 10+% improvement, with 15% better emissions and 15% better economy. Sounds pretty great to me.
rotorglow wrote: Late to the party, but all of you comparing this engine to the SR20DE really need to ditch the rose-colored glasses and read up on some things. The SR20DE was listed at 140hp and 132 lb-ft of torque. The Skyactiv 2.0 is 155 hp, 150 lb-ft (peaking 800 rpm lower than the SR20DE, and probably producing more everywhere overall). SR20DE cams got smaller through the 90s for emissions reasons. That's (variously) a 10+% improvement, with 15% better emissions and 15% better economy. Sounds pretty great to me.
Even more so if they actually do lower the weight, height, and make it more of a sports car again than the NC. I've always considered the NC a GT Car. Nothing against a GT Car, it's just not what I think a Miata should be.
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