Nissan set to reveal new GT-R for Japanese market

Colin
By Colin Wood
Sep 13, 2021 | Nissan, GT-R

Photograph Courtesy Nissan, Illustration by Colin Wood

Hot on the heels of the polarizing 2022 Subaru WRX reveal, Nissan announced the upcoming unveiling of the 2022 Nissan GT-R for the Japanese market.

We’ll leave most of the speculation for the comments section, but there is the possibility that Nissan might be rolling out some updates–big or small–for the now long-in-the-tooth R35 chassis, on sale since 2009.

It's also worth pointing out that this unveil is just for the Japanese market–at least at first.

The reveal is set for tomorrow, September 14, at 2:30 p.m. Japan Standard Time (1:30 a.m. Eastern)


So, what are you expecting Nissan to drop tomorrow? Something big like a new model or trim of some sort, or perhaps something smaller like a design refresh?

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captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/13/21 1:19 p.m.

I'm expecting a hybrid, and that's not a bad thing. 

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/13/21 1:38 p.m.

In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :

You know, I didn't even consider a hybrid, but that would be pretty neat.

For the record, I'm excepting either

  1. A model refresh that may or may not have a small bump in power
  2. Some sort of special "Final Edition" to signal that there's a new GT-R on the way

Somehow, I get the feeling I'm going to wrong either way–but I'm interested nonetheless.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
9/13/21 1:55 p.m.

I'm thinking Kei-class box van that maximizes the amount of interior room you can get within the width and length limits.

 

 

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/13/21 2:02 p.m.

In reply to Colin Wood :

You're actually probably more right than I am. In hindsight they will wait at least a year before announcing the new generation because they do not want to steal the thunder from the new Z car. 

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UltimaDork
9/13/21 2:34 p.m.
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

I'm expecting a hybrid, and that's not a bad thing. 

Given how the GTR has generally been the polar opposite of "simplify and add lightness", that is an interesting idea.

The most likely idea seems to be a face-lift and power bump like what they did with the Z car. The Skyline has been based on sharing a lot of parts with a volume-produced platform, and I don't see Nissan, being strapped for cash, coming out with anything new when it comes to platforms.

The only possible exception I could see would be if Nissan throws out a really unexpected curveball, and comes out with a GTR on the Nissan/Renault CMF-D platform, having it share platforms with the Infiniti QX50, Renault Talisman, and current Sentra. But a Sentra-based GTR seems like it would be about as popular as a naturally aspirated WRX.

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/13/21 2:47 p.m.

In reply to MadScientistMatt :

You nailed my thought process with regards to being the polar opposite of simplify and add lightness. My other thoughts regarding that is the twin turbo V6 does not have the peaky laggy nature of a lot of high horsepower forced induction vehicles and torque vectoring all-wheel drive putting the power to wear it best benefits traction and handling is very easily done with electric motors. I'm confident that this is the direction that future GTRs will be going much sooner rather than later. 

j_tso
j_tso GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/13/21 4:30 p.m.

In reply to Colin Wood :

"Final Edition" is what I'm thinking as well.

The next GT-R I'm predicting something like a cheaper version of the NSX with electric drive at one end. This was also predicted in the early 2000s when Nissan had a Micra or March that had an electric rear axle for taking  off at low speed in snow.

84FSP
84FSP UltraDork
9/13/21 5:46 p.m.

I like the idea of a KERS enabled hybrid twin turbo monster personally.  Complexity is to be expected in the GTR recipe.

STM317
STM317 UberDork
9/14/21 4:19 a.m.

2 new paint colors!

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MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UltimaDork
9/14/21 7:21 a.m.

The other "What to expect": Let's see if they can top their "Cat's in the Cradle" Super Bowl ad for choosing background music without first making sure they know what's in the lyrics.

JAdams
JAdams New Reader
9/14/21 7:56 a.m.

"Special body features, brakes and paint colors!" What a let down...

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/14/21 8:10 a.m.

Here's the full press release, and pictures to follow shortly:

Nissan Motor Co., Ltd. today unveiled the new Japan-market GT-R. The model line-up includes two limited grades, the GT-R Premium Edition T-spec and GT-R Track Edition Engineered by NISMO T-spec. All are scheduled to go on sale in the second half of October.

The two T-spec limited editions are specially equipped with exclusive carbon ceramic brakes, a carbon-fiber rear spoiler, an exclusive engine cover, and an exclusive badge for front and rear. A total of 100 units of the limited-edition models are planned for sale, with successful purchasers selected by lot.

Two new body colors, Midnight Purple and Millennium Jade, have been added to the T-spec options. Midnight Purple is an advanced version of the color used on previous generations of GT-Rs and is inspired by color-shifting of the aurora borealis. Millennium Jade exudes sophistication and conveys a quiet, yet powerful presence.

The name T-spec represents the GT-R’s philosophy of leading and shaping the times and is inspired by the words trend and traction. As a trend maker, the GT-R is created to always be ahead of the times, and the car’s ability to drive with robust grip — a key characteristic engineers have always worked hard on — make it a traction master.

The Nissan GT-R Premium Edition T-spec also has an exclusive interior design, Rays forged alloy wheels (bronze), and suspension that takes advantage of weight reductions below the springs. An expanded wheel-rim width has increased tire rigidity, enabling smooth and sensitive handling.

Developed with a focus on enhanced driving performance, the GT-R Track Edition engineered by NISMO T-spec is specially equipped with an exclusive carbon-fiber roof and trunk lid. GT-R Track Edition engineered by NISMO is a grade based on the standard model enhanced with NISMO technology.

The Premium Edition T-spec starts at 15,904,900 Yen (about $144,762), with the Track Edition Engineered by NISMO priced at 17,881,600 Yen (about $162,754).

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/14/21 8:12 a.m.

Premium Edition T-spec:

Track Edition Engineered by NISMO:

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/14/21 8:19 a.m.

And now for my opinion:

Perhaps not the groundbreaking new GT-R we were hoping for, but I'm happy to see Millennium Jade and Midnight Purple making a return (two of some of the most iconic colors ever offered on a car).

Also, I feel like this is pretty par for the course for Japanese carmakers, releasing limited-edition models that offer little more than special paint jobs–like the GT 86 Hakone Edition, 300 ZX Shiro Edition and a good number of older Miatas to name a few.

Junghole
Junghole SuperDork
9/14/21 9:56 a.m.

"As a trend maker, the GT-R is created to always be ahead of the times" oh I just can't stop laughing at this statement. Your car is over ten years old, considered "slow" by today's standards, and is simply mucking up the coat tails of its predecessors. 
 

please turn "skyline" into a brand and sell it off to a good company. 

thashane
thashane GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/14/21 11:56 a.m.

I feel like a kid opening Christmas presents looking for that exciting new gift they've been talking about all year, only to get more socks... Meanwhile Jimmy across the street is playing with his new C8, and Susan just got an AWD Pacifica with a Hellcat motor.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
9/14/21 12:06 p.m.
Junghole said:      please turn "skyline" into a brand and sell it off to a good company. 

Prince Motor Company has a ring to it.

 

crankwalk (Forum Supporter)
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/14/21 6:07 p.m.
Colin Wood said:

 

Also, I feel like this is pretty par for the course for Japanese carmakers, releasing limited-edition models that offer little more than special paint jobs–like the GT 86 Hakone Edition, 300 ZX Shiro Edition and a good number of older Miatas to name a few.

FYI 300ZX Shiro edition wasn't just a color change. Completely different suspension,no digital dash and lots of electronics removed, Recaros, vlsd. At least they gave you a lot more of what you want instead of some of the newer nismo models with just color matched accent trim BS. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/15/21 3:58 p.m.

Just thinking out loud, but is there a market for a stripped-down, rear-drive GT-R? 

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
9/15/21 8:51 p.m.
STM317 said:

2 new paint colors!

Celebration GIFs - Get the best GIF on GIPHY

Ocean Sand and Medium Beige?

Wait, it's a Nissan not a Toyota.

Deep Anthracite and Metallic Slate?

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
9/15/21 8:52 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

Just thinking out loud, but is there a market for a stripped-down, rear-drive GT-R? 

You mean, like a turbo 370Z?

crankwalk (Forum Supporter)
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/15/21 10:14 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

Just thinking out loud, but is there a market for a stripped-down, rear-drive GT-R? 

There was in 1970 with a KPGC10. ;)
 

GTRs AWD traction for the streets and big power has been what has drawn people to them (the last 30 years at least).Even heavy and fully loaded inside they are super fast. AWD is the Pandora's box of drivetrains for GTRs. it distinguished itself as that being  a hallmark feature over Supra's, 300zxs , etc in they heyday where it really cemented it's legacy. 
 

Also how much would realistically be saved with fewer bells and whistles and RWD? $20k? So it's $95k instead of $115k. Do people buying $100k cars want to save on halogens instead of HIDs, no sun roof, etc? I'm thinking they want all the GTR myth embodies or nothing.

 

Along the same vein, how many 4 cylinder Supra's have sold? (I have no idea) Me personally for that price difference, if I wanted a Supra or a GTR I'd want the real deal top of the line version. 

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UltimaDork
9/16/21 7:16 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

Just thinking out loud, but is there a market for a stripped-down, rear-drive GT-R? 

Historically, that should be a GTS.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/16/21 7:26 a.m.
JAdams said:

"Special body features, brakes and paint colors!" What a let down...

I'm not let down by this, because this is exactly what I expected of Nissan. They've been doing the same thing for the past 6 or 7 years with the GT-R, why expect them to change now?

NickD
NickD MegaDork
9/16/21 7:30 a.m.
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) said:
David S. Wallens said:

Just thinking out loud, but is there a market for a stripped-down, rear-drive GT-R? 

GTRs AWD traction for the streets and big power has been what has drawn people to them (the last 30 years at least).Even heavy and fully loaded inside they are super fast. AWD is the Pandora's box of drivetrains for GTRs. it distinguished itself as that being  a hallmark feature over Supra's, 300zxs , etc in they heyday where it really cemented it's legacy. 

Also how much would realistically be saved with fewer bells and whistles and RWD? $20k? So it's $95k instead of $115k. Do people buying $100k cars want to save on halogens instead of HIDs, no sun roof, etc? I'm thinking they want all the GTR myth embodies or nothing.

Along the same vein, how many 4 cylinder Supra's have sold? (I have no idea) Me personally for that price difference, if I wanted a Supra or a GTR I'd want the real deal top of the line version. 

This. Everyone champions for a stripped-down, decontented, budget version of a car and then they come out sell terrible.  

And 4-cylinder Supra production accounts for a whopping 15% of sales, from what Car & Driver says.

hybridmomentspass
hybridmomentspass Reader
9/18/21 8:06 a.m.

Im really curious how long they'll ride this model out for.

Im shocked they've not updated it, much, in a decade or more (I forget when they first came out). How many cars keep the same body for a decade? Minus a Jeep.

crankwalk (Forum Supporter)
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/18/21 11:16 a.m.
hybridmomentspass said:

 How many cars keep the same body for a decade? Minus a Jeep.

With minor updates and refreshes? Quite a few actually.

 

Here are some examples:

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/longest-production-runs-without-major-changes/143716/page1/

A million different trucks in America from the 70s-early 90s .Crown Victorias, Bugs, modern Challenger, Frontier, in Japan the z32 1989-2000 and FD rx7 1991-2002 went over a decade, 370z 2008-2020, C4 vettes with updates from 84-96.... it goes on and on

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand UberDork
9/18/21 11:43 a.m.

In reply to crankwalk (Forum Supporter) :

911 ...

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
9/18/21 11:45 a.m.

Honda made a largely similar Civic/Integra chassis from 1988 to, what, 2002?

IIRC the DC was Honda's first car that they didn't do an automatic 2 year refresh/4 year replace cycle.

Junghole
Junghole SuperDork
9/18/21 12:22 p.m.
Slippery said:

In reply to crankwalk (Forum Supporter) :

9/11 ...

 

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