Which dream fast wagon: Audi RS6 Avant or Porsche Panamera Turbo S Sport Turismo?

Colin
By Colin Wood
Nov 20, 2021 | Audi, Porsche, wagons, RS6 Avant, Panamera Sport Turismo

Photography Courtesy Porsche and Audi

Few car makers offer a genuine wagon these days, with even fewer offering sporty wagons. Thankfully, Porsche and Audi didn’t seem to get the memo.

Both companies make a fast wagon– Porsche with the Panamera Sport Turismo and Audi with the RS6 Avant–but which one would you rather keep in your driveway?

Here are a few key specs to help you decide:

Also worth noting: The Panamera Sport Turismo can be had in a number of different flavors–the spiciest being the Turbo S mentioned here–that include a hybrid (not including the all-electric Taycan Cross Turismo), whereas the RS6 is only available in one trim.

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AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
11/16/21 8:41 a.m.

RS6

Fupdiggity (Forum Supporter)
Fupdiggity (Forum Supporter) Reader
11/16/21 8:44 a.m.

RS6 for the looks, Panamera for the driving experience, Taycan wagon if it was my (dream) money

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
11/16/21 8:52 a.m.

The Porsche is faster, more powerful, lighter, and doesn't have the engine hanging like an anvil out over the front bumper. Looks-wise, I am not in love with either one. So Porsche for sure. Although I'm guessing the Audi has a lot more cargo room, so that would influence a real world decision. Not that I'm ever going to spend six figures on a car.

Chris_V
Chris_V UberDork
11/16/21 8:54 a.m.

I like the looks of both of them, but the RS6 is a bit cooler, even though the Porsche is a bit better to me. Hard decision, though I care about either about as much as I care about a performance SUV.

 

But can we talk about them using pictures with them in colors other than Badger arse?

 

 

 

Duke
Duke MegaDork
11/16/21 9:13 a.m.

Porsche for sure for me.  I want to like Audis but I am left cold by every one I've ever sat in.

Plus the wheels are at least an inch, if not two, too large.

"Badger Arse".  Bwahahahahahah.  FWIW Meteor Silver is an Acura color, and it's actually quite pretty - a pale metallic blue with nice pearly overtones.

 

iansane
iansane HalfDork
11/16/21 9:18 a.m.

Audi. No question. I know the 80s are long over but the sharp lines of the RS6 are a closer match, to me, of the boxiness of yesteryear. The Panamenenenanrana is too close to an overinflated balloon. 

Chris_V
Chris_V UberDork
11/16/21 9:22 a.m.
Duke said:

Plus the wheels are at least an inch, if not two, too large.

But look at the brakes they have to cover. Smaller wheels would mean smaller brakes, and that's no bueno.

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
11/16/21 9:33 a.m.

Single most important question is what are the towing capacity.  Lower than 3,300lb's then it's off my RADAR, over that I'm leaning RS6 but open to both.  The RS6 is something I've been wonder about as a replacement for my Volvo wagon in 3-4 years by which time a)they will have had chance to depreciate and b) hopefully this insane world of high prices on used cars has dissipated post supply chain issues.

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
11/16/21 9:36 a.m.

In reply to Chris_V :

16.5" brakes, 21" wheels... seems like they could put something at least a little smaller on there.

Chris_V
Chris_V UberDork
11/16/21 10:19 a.m.
dculberson said:

In reply to Chris_V :

16.5" brakes, 21" wheels... seems like they could put something at least a little smaller on there.

Brake rotor diameter is not the sum total of brake diameter. You are forgetting caliper clearance. Look at the picture of that front wheel on the one I posted. That caliper is hyuuuge.

 

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
11/16/21 10:36 a.m.

In reply to Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) :

Funny enough, neither Audi nor Porsche offer any info on the spec sheets about how much either can tow.

dannyp84
dannyp84 Reader
11/16/21 10:42 a.m.

Are there any fast wagons that don't cost as much as a house? Even the CTS V wagon still goes for ~60k used last time I checked..

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon UltraDork
11/16/21 10:57 a.m.

In reply to dannyp84 :

Older and not CTSV fast, but the Swedes gave us the 9-5 Aero and V70R in wagon form.

preach (fs)
preach (fs) GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/16/21 2:55 p.m.

RS6 for me.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/16/21 2:57 p.m.
Colin Wood said:

In reply to Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) :

Funny enough, neither Audi nor Porsche offer any info on the spec sheets about how much either can tow.

Everyone on the GRM forum is towing everything all the time :)

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
11/16/21 2:58 p.m.
dannyp84 said:

Are there any fast wagons that don't cost as much as a house? Even the CTS V wagon still goes for ~60k used last time I checked..

I'd say my current ride meets your requirement.  2015.5 Volvo V60 T6 R-Design with Polestar flash tune.  Not an actual Polestar, specifically the tune that was available from Volvo as new with warranty.  That gives it 325hp/354lb/ft.  Car and Driver recorded 0-60 in 4.9sec and the ¼ at 13.5 @ 105 for this exact spec.  Note the full Polestar edition only improved these numbers to 4.5 to 60 and 13.1@107 in the ¼ in a lighter body with approx an extra 25hp and tq.  I bought mine two years ago with 40 k miles for $20k even.  At that time the only actual Polestar I could find was $30k with over 50k miles.  I think I got a bargain, even though I bought it from a Volvo dealer.   I bet I could get close to, or even more than my purchase price back now with 85k miles on with the stupid used car market we have right now.

I'd say those specs are outstanding for a DD, I've shocked a lot of people being a middle aged guy in a white freaking Volvo wagon on on ramps etc.  It's pretty quick off the line, but it really shines in the 30-60 or 50-70 punch it range. Yes it's an auto, but you can select 'S' mode and it really firms up and quickens up the shifts as well as holding gears as you go through long sweepers.  You also have (nice tactile aluminum castings, not plastic) flappy paddles.  Again, this is a car that I would still have bought auto even if a manual was available.  

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
11/16/21 3:29 p.m.

Neither.  Much rather have a Mercedes E63S AMG wagon.  Both the Porsche and the Audi fail at doing the main thing you want a wagon to do, which is carry stuff.  They barely hold more stuff than a typical sedan, my Golf R holds almost as much as both of them! 

The AMG holds WAY more stuff than either the Audi or the Porsche, looks better than the Porsche and performs better than the Audi.  Winning!

Duke
Duke MegaDork
11/16/21 3:33 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) said:
dannyp84 said:

Are there any fast wagons that don't cost as much as a house? Even the CTS V wagon still goes for ~60k used last time I checked..

I'd say my current ride meets your requirement.  2015.5 Volvo V60 T6 R-Design with Polestar flash tune.  Not an actual Polestar, specifically the tune that was available from Volvo as new with warranty.  That gives it 325hp/354lb/ft.

I've got the current version of that exact car (mine is a 2019 V60 R-Design).  With the Polestar tune on the 2.0 4 cylinder, the T6 makes 330 hp but gives up some torques to Adrian's 5 cylinder, topping out at 325 lb-ft.  It is not CTS-V quick, but it's plenty quick for most driving.

It's only going to tow 1650 lbs, though.

 

Shaun
Shaun GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/16/21 3:39 p.m.

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) said:

How does it sound? Generally I like 6 cylinder sound the best.. The least favorite thing about our 07 V70R is the sound. Its 855 HPT predecessor sounded absolutely great. Both 5 bangers but a huge difference.

Honsch
Honsch Reader
11/16/21 3:59 p.m.

Neither.

The correct answer is VW Fox.

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
11/16/21 4:02 p.m.

In reply to Shaun :

IT sounds OK, not great, you lose some of the sixiness with the turbo, but who doesn't love turbos?  No, no woosh-pop noises, but my car is bone bone stock.

yupididit
yupididit GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
11/16/21 5:20 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:
Colin Wood said:

In reply to Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) :

Funny enough, neither Audi nor Porsche offer any info on the spec sheets about how much either can tow.

Everyone on the GRM forum is towing everything all the time :)

 

Weird ain't it? 

Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter)
Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
11/16/21 5:33 p.m.

Tough choice. I'll go Audi in dark blue. Why? I can shrug and say I drive a "blue station wagon"..... There's something wrong with a 4 door Porsche. I don't care how fast it is.

irish44j (Forum Supporter)
irish44j (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
11/16/21 7:13 p.m.

I do love Audi wagons, but having never seen the Panamera wagon....man, that looks amazing. 

STM317
STM317 UberDork
11/16/21 7:37 p.m.
dculberson said:

The Porsche is faster, more powerful, lighter, and doesn't have the engine hanging like an anvil out over the front bumper.

Is the engine position actually different? They're both high performance VWs that seem to share a whole lot of critical parts. Both AWD with the same engine and trans. Same front brakes. Wheelbase is within an inch. The Porsche is definitely lighter and more powerful, but a head to head test on how these two corporate cousins feel might not be super different.

dannyp84
dannyp84 Reader
11/17/21 9:22 a.m.
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) said:
dannyp84 said:

Are there any fast wagons that don't cost as much as a house? Even the CTS V wagon still goes for ~60k used last time I checked..

I'd say my current ride meets your requirement.  2015.5 Volvo V60 T6 R-Design with Polestar flash tune.  Not an actual Polestar, specifically the tune that was available from Volvo as new with warranty.  That gives it 325hp/354lb/ft.  Car and Driver recorded 0-60 in 4.9sec and the ¼ at 13.5 @ 105 for this exact spec.  Note the full Polestar edition only improved these numbers to 4.5 to 60 and 13.1@107 in the ¼ in a lighter body with approx an extra 25hp and tq.  I bought mine two years ago with 40 k miles for $20k even.  At that time the only actual Polestar I could find was $30k with over 50k miles.  I think I got a bargain, even though I bought it from a Volvo dealer.   I bet I could get close to, or even more than my purchase price back now with 85k miles on with the stupid used car market we have right now.

I'd say those specs are outstanding for a DD, I've shocked a lot of people being a middle aged guy in a white freaking Volvo wagon on on ramps etc.  It's pretty quick off the line, but it really shines in the 30-60 or 50-70 punch it range. Yes it's an auto, but you can select 'S' mode and it really firms up and quickens up the shifts as well as holding gears as you go through long sweepers.  You also have (nice tactile aluminum castings, not plastic) flappy paddles.  Again, this is a car that I would still have bought auto even if a manual was available.  

That's a pretty car, looks a bit smaller than the Audi/Porsche too. 

Aaron_King
Aaron_King PowerDork
11/17/21 10:08 a.m.
docwyte said:

Neither.  Much rather have a Mercedes E63S AMG wagon.  Both the Porsche and the Audi fail at doing the main thing you want a wagon to do, which is carry stuff.  They barely hold more stuff than a typical sedan, my Golf R holds almost as much as both of them! 

The AMG holds WAY more stuff than either the Audi or the Porsche, looks better than the Porsche and performs better than the Audi.  Winning!

What he said.

pinchvalve (Forum Supporter)
pinchvalve (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
11/17/21 10:18 a.m.

Between the two, I'd go Porsche. A lot of reviewers have picked the Audi despite being a bit slower, the consensus seems to be that it's the better driver. To me though, I got to ride in a Panamera GTS down the unrestricted autobahn and it sealed the desire for a Panamera for me forever.

If we are allowed to cast a wider net for a fast wagon, I'd skip over the Merc and land on this:

Duke
Duke MegaDork
11/17/21 10:51 a.m.

In reply to pinchvalve (Forum Supporter) :

I'd skip the Mercedes as well but that's just because I deeply dislike Mercedes Benz as a company.

Except Unimogs.  But that's a different thread, not this one.

That Ferrari is hot.

 

200mph
200mph Reader
11/17/21 11:58 a.m.

The Euro version of the RS6 can tow up to 2100kg (4630 lbs).

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
11/17/21 12:16 p.m.

In reply to STM317 :

I don't think they share a platform; the Porsche rides on the same platform as a couple Bentleys but no Audis that I could find. The weight distribution isn't that different though! Within 1% - I wouldn't have expected that. (Audi 55/45, Porsche 54/46)

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
11/17/21 12:40 p.m.

Not the same platform.

"The Panamera sits on Porsche’s MSB platform, which underpins this Sport Turismo model and the Panamera hatch, unlike the RS 6, which uses the MLB evo architecture. "

twowheeled
twowheeled Reader
11/17/21 5:48 p.m.
Chris_V said:
dculberson said:

In reply to Chris_V :

16.5" brakes, 21" wheels... seems like they could put something at least a little smaller on there.

Brake rotor diameter is not the sum total of brake diameter. You are forgetting caliper clearance. Look at the picture of that front wheel on the one I posted. That caliper is hyuuuge.

 

I want a fast wagon but this also annoys the hell out of me. The first pot hole I hit in those stupid 21" wheels would be a new tire and wheel repair. 

I just want a fast modern drivetrain riding on 17" wheels. I get it, the brakes will be cooked on the track but I'm not going to be tracking a wagon. I'm going to be taking road trips, laying rubber, and hauling my stuff around. I only need one or two hard braking events at which point I'm going to back off and let the brakes cool off anyhow.

Olemiss540
Olemiss540 HalfDork
11/17/21 6:59 p.m.
Aaron_King said:
docwyte said:

Neither.  Much rather have a Mercedes E63S AMG wagon.  Both the Porsche and the Audi fail at doing the main thing you want a wagon to do, which is carry stuff.  They barely hold more stuff than a typical sedan, my Golf R holds almost as much as both of them! 

The AMG holds WAY more stuff than either the Audi or the Porsche, looks better than the Porsche and performs better than the Audi.  Winning!

What he said.

Yuuuppp. Bonus points if you can ride backwards in the 3rd row to finger gun all the oncoming traffic out of the back glass.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/17/21 7:11 p.m.
Olemiss540 said:
Aaron_King said:
docwyte said:

Neither.  Much rather have a Mercedes E63S AMG wagon.  Both the Porsche and the Audi fail at doing the main thing you want a wagon to do, which is carry stuff.  They barely hold more stuff than a typical sedan, my Golf R holds almost as much as both of them! 

The AMG holds WAY more stuff than either the Audi or the Porsche, looks better than the Porsche and performs better than the Audi.  Winning!

What he said.

Yuuuppp. Bonus points if you can ride backwards in the 3rd row to finger gun all the oncoming traffic out of the back glass.

Came here to say this as well. Merc would be my choice. 

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
11/18/21 8:21 a.m.

I'm actually hoping to trade the Golf R for an E63S AMG wagon this Spring

STM317
STM317 UberDork
11/18/21 9:38 a.m.

Porsche Taycan Sport Turismo GTS? I think it looks better than the Panamera

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe PowerDork
11/19/21 5:03 p.m.

That sort of money and I would get a used Ferrari FF and as much warranty as I could buy. 
 

Honest answer is my ford  flex is just as fast in real world conditions and holds a ton more stuff. I will admit I did look as a rs6 at the dealer when my other Audi was getting serviced. At 40k adm over the sticker price there are a lot of other things I would buy. 

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
11/20/21 9:40 a.m.

In reply to wearymicrobe :

I like the Ferrari FF and watched Doug Demuro's review of them.  Cool car, but not in the same as these wagons.  Not a 4 door and has much less cargo capacity then even these two wagons, let alone the E63. 

When Doug reviewed them he was saying you could get one for $100k or so.  Now that seems to be more like $150k or so, which prices them out of my reach to replace my 996 Turbo...

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe PowerDork
11/23/21 7:57 p.m.

They are still trading in the 100K range as far as I know. Lots of asking prices up on them and they are not selling. I love the idea but the maintaince / repairs would kill you. 

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
11/24/21 8:40 a.m.

In reply to wearymicrobe :

Basically every one of them listed for sale is $150k+.  Seems a little unrealistic for them to accept a $100k offer, at least to me? 

mfennell
mfennell Reader
11/24/21 8:52 a.m.

A friend of mine has a '16ish E63S wagon.  Brown.   He loves it but he had an expensive vacation recently when one of the brake hardlines failed in Maine (having driven from NJ).  If I got the story right, the coating fails where the lines bend, permitting corrosion and, eventually, failure.  Replacement at the local MB dealer would have been $3k and taken ages so he had it towed back home where his favored indy (guy works on his Elise and R32 GTR too!) dealt with it.

twowheeled
twowheeled Reader
11/25/21 8:38 a.m.
wearymicrobe said:

That sort of money and I would get a used Ferrari FF and as much warranty as I could buy. 
 

Honest answer is my ford  flex is just as fast in real world conditions and holds a ton more stuff. I will admit I did look as a rs6 at the dealer when my other Audi was getting serviced. At 40k adm over the sticker price there are a lot of other things I would buy. 

I was interested in a flex but remember reading they had driveline issues?

90BuickCentury
90BuickCentury Reader
11/25/21 9:09 a.m.

 

Could probably build this for a lot less than either of those 2 options and have something more unique.

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
11/29/21 1:29 p.m.

In reply to 90BuickCentury :

IS that an Accord wagon?  I don't see one on the Honda website so I'm guessing no go in the USA.  Also does it have at least 350hp, preferably at least 400 and preferring to be closer to 500 and can it tow at least 3,300lb's?  IF not it doesn't fit.  

Duke
Duke MegaDork
11/29/21 3:53 p.m.
90BuickCentury said:

Could probably build this for a lot less than either of those 2 options and have something more unique.

That's very pretty, but Adrian points out the flaws above.  Plus it's a rendering, not an actual model.

Accord wagons typically are very pretty, even if not available in the US:

Five of the best Hondas never sold in Australia | CarsGuide - OverSteer

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