Why did Subaru show a first-gen Forester at the New York Auto Show?

David S.
By David S. Wallens
Apr 4, 2024 | Subaru, New York Auto Show, Forester

Photography Credit: David S. Wallens

To make a point: According to the brand, 96% of all Subaru vehicles sold in the last 10 years are still on the road.

The significance to us of a 25-year-old Forester in Green Metallic over Slate Gray? If you visited GRM World HQ back in the day, you would have found a Forester looking just like this one in our parking lot.

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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
4/4/24 1:09 p.m.

This was clean. And cool to see. It also makes you realize how small “bigger” cars once were. 

prodarwin MegaDork
4/4/24 1:26 p.m.

To show what CUV proportions should be.


aircooled MegaDork
4/4/24 1:28 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

...To make a point: According to the brand, 96% of all Subaru vehicles sold in the last 10 years are still on the road.....

The problem with statistics is that you need to understand statistics to understand statistics(!).

What is this saying?  What are the numbers for other brands?  Are they all very close to that?  Is percentage on the road a good basis for determining reliability?

The data is apparently from a 2021 study, and says it's a higher number than Toyota or Honda.  Doesn't mention any other brands (?).  More importantly, does not take into account miles driven (e.g. say one brand sells a lot of commercial vehicles with get a LOT of miles, while another primarily sells to retired people and very low miles).

This article talks about makes with the most cars to make 200,000 miles, which is likely a better measure of reliability (determining an appropriate measure is very important in "proper" statistics).  In that case, Subaru only ranks 7th.  Toyota has a rather significant lead in this case!  It doesn't show Subaru, but it looks like Toyota might be twice as likely to reach 200,000 miles.

Yes, when marketing and statistics meet, be very cautious!

....The iSeeCars study looks further at the car brands that have the percentage of a car brand's vehicles that have over 200,000 miles. In this report, Subaru is seventh on the list and has 0.8 percent of its vehicle lineup with over 200,00 miles on the odometer, which is below the average of all car brands at 1.2 percent...

....The report reveals the car brands with the most significant percentage of cars with over 200,000 miles are Toyota (2.3%), Honda (1.9%), GMC (1.8%), Chevrolet (1.6%), and Ford (1.5%), above the average of all vehicles....


(yes, I know the links in the story to studies link right back to the same story they are in!)

Datsun240ZGuy MegaDork
4/4/24 1:44 p.m.

Chicago Auto Show

CyberEric SuperDork
4/4/24 2:05 p.m.

Still on the road on their second engine because the first one blew a HG and Subaru owners will pay to have a new engine put in vs buying a new car. 

I have a REALLY hard time believing there are more 10 year old Foresters on the road than 10 year old RAV4s. If I cared enough I'd look at the study and find the holes in it. I'll let someone else have those Subarus.

thashane GRM+ Memberand Reader
4/4/24 10:03 p.m.

In reply to CyberEric :

I assumed engine replacements were cheaper, since it's so common

Stealthtercel Dork
4/4/24 10:58 p.m.

Sorry to thread-jack, but does anybody else remember Nissan's print ad showing an old Datsun pickup, complete with its original owner?

The guy seemed to be well into his eighties, and was clearly still very satisfied with his truck.

His advice to prospective purchasers was, "Make sure you like the colour."

Appleseed MegaDork
4/4/24 11:03 p.m.

To remind us that they didn't always build AWD Corollas.

Tk8398 HalfDork
4/5/24 12:54 a.m.

It's funny that they show the car that old at the auto show while they are also discontinuing a lot of the parts for the older ones.  Typical though lol.

te72 HalfDork
4/5/24 1:02 a.m.

I think that so many Subarus are still on the road is because that's where they broke down, and nobody bothered to tow them to the junk yard... =P

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