You Need This: Live Out Your Initial D Fantasies

Ed
By Ed Higginbotham
Jun 29, 2017 | Toyota

Want to live out those Initial D fantasies? Look no further than Duncan Imports and Classic Cars. They claim to be the biggest importer and seller of Japanese market cars in the U.S., and their website doesn’t disappoint. Curiously enough, the car that caught our eye today was one of the few non-Japanese market cars: this super clean 1984 Toyota Corolla SR5 Coupe for sale for $8900. The seller says its overall condition is a 4.5 out of 5 and it has just 24,574 miles on the clock.

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Armitage
Armitage HalfDork
6/29/17 3:02 p.m.

Hrm, that gauge cluster is startlingly similar to the one on my GVR4. I wonder if Mitsu and Toyota sourced them from the same supplier.

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/29/17 3:12 p.m.

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
6/29/17 3:58 p.m.

When the hell did a corolla become more than the original msrp?

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Associate Editor
6/29/17 4:00 p.m.

HACHI ROKUUUUUUU

Did I spell that correctly?

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
6/29/17 4:04 p.m.

When I was parting out my kevlar corolla to fund a scratchbuilt project a stock SR5 hatch with auto was for sale cheap nearby....it took much resistance to not buy it and put my turbo engine/W55 trans/2 way lsd/front and rear coilover setup in it for a pretty fun street car.

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/29/17 4:04 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote: HACHI ROKUUUUUUU Did I spell that correctly?

I think it is spelled with fewer 'U's.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
6/29/17 4:06 p.m.

too nice, Id be afraid to hoon it. And, hooning is mandatory.

rodknock
rodknock New Reader
6/29/17 4:16 p.m.

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
6/29/17 6:39 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote: HACHI ROKUUUUUUU Did I spell that correctly?

Hachigo, not hachiroku.

Of course, Itsuki would tell you that the 85 is the thinking man's Trueno.

irish44j
irish44j UltimaDork
6/29/17 6:50 p.m.
mndsm wrote: When the hell did a corolla become more than the original msrp?

RHD bro....so you can tell your friends it's JDM. And so you can't pass anyone on a country road.....

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
6/29/17 6:59 p.m.
mndsm wrote: When the hell did a corolla become more than the original msrp?

This is $18k and I don't even know what's real anymore

http://www.duncanimports.com/used/Toyota/1984-Toyota-Celica-7295d4510a0e08f77ab824ce28502558.htm

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
6/29/17 7:04 p.m.

I'm gonna start hoarding more ae101s. If the Toyota market is like this, the last of the 4ag capable corollas are sure to skyrocket

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan Dork
6/29/17 7:21 p.m.

I'm gonna be a negative nancy but it doesn't seem to be a twin-cam. In Ireland any time you hear "twin-cam" it's this model Toyota. And the website is slightly annoying with all the 'private owner not for sale' cars. I'll go to Pinterest for my car porn. :what the: On a final note I will say the above car makes this one below look like too pricey. https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/6188015374.html

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
6/29/17 7:32 p.m.
irish44j wrote:
mndsm wrote: When the hell did a corolla become more than the original msrp?
RHD bro....so you can tell your friends it's JDM. And so you can't pass anyone on a country road.....

Well, you can. You just have to pass on the inside. Using the gutter to drift, err, ditch-hook.

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
6/29/17 7:36 p.m.
nutherjrfan wrote: I'm gonna be a negative nancy but it doesn't seem to be a twin-cam. In Ireland any time you hear "twin-cam" it's this model Toyota.

The SR5 was the SOHC version. For some reason, all US market rear drive 8th generation Corollas had AE86 on the VIN, both SR5 and GT-S (DOHC).

And I still kick myself for not buying that SR5 for $100, because I didn't think a 302 would fit under the hood. It ran and everything, just needed a clutch. Past Me is quite the dumbass sometimes.

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
6/29/17 8:03 p.m.
Knurled wrote:
irish44j wrote:
mndsm wrote: When the hell did a corolla become more than the original msrp?
RHD bro....so you can tell your friends it's JDM. And so you can't pass anyone on a country road.....
Well, you can. You just have to pass on the inside. Using the gutter to drift, err, ditch-hook.

The whole ditch hook thing has a certain bit of truth. I've used it in winter conditions to get traction when the cloverleaf is super icy, and the only spot not packed is the shoulder. Drop a couple wheels off the inside and go.

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
6/29/17 8:27 p.m.

The nice thing about the road construction on 315S in Columbus is that the lanes are so narrow and close to the grass that you can ditch hook in sections. I make a point of going through there at [REDACTED]mph and hooking just because I can.

ae86andkp61
ae86andkp61 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
6/29/17 10:58 p.m.

In reply to mndsm:

When they became collectible, which was back just around the same time you lost track of the current market.

trucke
trucke SuperDork
6/30/17 3:20 p.m.
mndsm wrote: I'm gonna start hoarding more ae101s. If the Toyota market is like this, the last of the 4ag capable corollas are sure to skyrocket

I'm holding my breathe!

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
6/30/17 5:27 p.m.
trucke wrote:
mndsm wrote: I'm gonna start hoarding more ae101s. If the Toyota market is like this, the last of the 4ag capable corollas are sure to skyrocket
I'm holding my breathe!

They're already stupid popular amongst the Toyota crowd here in florida. I have to imagine it's going to continue.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
6/30/17 6:57 p.m.

Original 70 series tires

Smarta$$ McPoopyPants
Smarta$$ McPoopyPants MegaDork
6/30/17 6:57 p.m.

Do not need.

yupididit
yupididit Dork
6/30/17 11:48 p.m.

Other than initialD which I haven't watched. What's so great about these?

ae86andkp61
ae86andkp61 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
7/1/17 2:09 a.m.

In reply to yupididit:

Lightweight, responsive, balanced handling with great feedback. A true driver's car. Rear wheel drive. Easy for the noob to push at 7/10ths or 8/10ths, but rewarding for the old master to try and squeeze 10.5/10ths out of. A great platform for modifications with a huge aftermarket. Just old enough to have some "modern classic" vintage charm and quirkiness, but just new enough to be way more user-friendly than most old sports cars. But other than that, they are just some overpriced old Japanese econo-car that nobody should care about.

yupididit
yupididit Dork
7/1/17 4:36 a.m.

I like the starlet more.

92dxman
92dxman SuperDork
7/1/17 7:28 a.m.

In reply to nutherjrfan Oh my

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan Dork
7/1/17 10:19 a.m.

In reply to 92dxman: My 'roommate' actually spends most of his time at his house on that island so after six years it could be an excuse to finally go spend a weekend just not this weekend. And that he has a new boat but I'm scared of water so. I wouldn't want to waste the sellers time though as I do not have $4500.

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan Dork
7/1/17 10:24 a.m.

In reply to ae86andkp61: Plus in the 90s they were responsible for all those mysterious black circles that appeared every Sunday morning at any given suitably sized intersection in rural Ulster.

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
7/1/17 10:30 a.m.
yupididit wrote: Other than initialD which I haven't watched. What's so great about these?

They are more or less a Group 4 Escort. Simple four link axle, simple strut front suspension, lightweight, well-balanced, driver is sitting in a good place relative to the car's CG so the inner-ear feedback is excellent.

There's also a lot of interesting parallels between the Escort's 1600cc BDA engine and the 4A-GE engine, which this car is not equipped with.

No matter what the drift/Initial D/Gran Turismo tax does to AE86 pricing, they probably will never touch the cost of entry for an Escort, so there's that as well.

yupididit
yupididit Dork
7/1/17 11:39 a.m.

I'm gonna have to try one of these out! I never paid attention to them before.

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
7/1/17 3:31 p.m.
yupididit wrote: I'm gonna have to try one of these out! I never paid attention to them before.

Stock they are slow and pretty boring I'd imagine,bought mine dead stock and in great condition for $200.Never drove it on the street once,straight into trailer queen mode and basic mods that morphed a very long ways from basic mods over the course of 9 yrs.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
7/1/17 3:41 p.m.
kevlarcorolla wrote:
yupididit wrote: I'm gonna have to try one of these out! I never paid attention to them before.
Stock they are slow and pretty boring I'd imagine,bought mine dead stock and in great condition for $200.Never drove it on the street once,straight into trailer queen mode and basic mods that morphed a very long ways from basic mods over the course of 9 yrs.

I've had two, started stock. Stock was fun. Even for an sr5. The thing I regretted most was altering my geometry. Because then, the steering wouldn't automatically recenter.

This meant I couldn't do "no handed" drifting. My little brother thought my name was Bunta after I showed him I could drift with no hands.

Fitzauto
Fitzauto Dork
7/1/17 5:07 p.m.

I love my ae86. But its supercharged and lowered on giant slicks so not quite a stock one

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
7/1/17 5:58 p.m.

In reply to Trackmouse:

Curious what you changed,castor is easily adjusted and should've been the only thing that screwed with return to center.

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
7/1/17 5:58 p.m.
Fitzauto wrote: I love my ae86. But its supercharged and lowered on giant slicks so not quite a stock one

Have you had a chance to try any of my suggestions for your hot rod?.

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
7/1/17 6:46 p.m.
kevlarcorolla wrote: In reply to Trackmouse: Curious what you changed,castor is easily adjusted and should've been the only thing that screwed with return to center.

If you install a spacer between the upright and the steering arm, you will raise the car's roll center. These spacers are called "turn in spacers" in the RX-7 world, don't know what Toyota people call them.

If the spacer reclocks the steering arm, that will alter Ackerman. If the spacer is offset fore-aft, it will alter trail. Both of these can affect return to center.

Interestingly, the common types of these spacers reclock/are offset by design, as they are legal in various forms of SCCA motorsport only if they are a permanent part of the upright, meaning the attaching bolts can't just pass through, there must be two sepaate sets of fasteners.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
7/1/17 10:03 p.m.

In reply to Knurled:

They are called RCA's. Or "roll center adjusters" and this was about ten years ago when I was a "scrub" radius... (get it!) I slammed that car and ran tokico blues and that's it. Drifted great, but required Popeye's Arms to correct that sideways fun. T3 sells them for about 50$... I just didn't have the knowledge I have now.

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
7/1/17 10:14 p.m.
Knurled wrote:
kevlarcorolla wrote: In reply to Trackmouse: Curious what you changed,castor is easily adjusted and should've been the only thing that screwed with return to center.
If you install a spacer between the upright and the steering arm, you will raise the car's roll center. These spacers are called "turn in spacers" in the RX-7 world, don't know what Toyota people call them. If the spacer reclocks the steering arm, that will alter Ackerman. If the spacer is offset fore-aft, it will alter trail. Both of these can affect return to center. Interestingly, the common types of these spacers reclock/are offset by design, as they are legal in various forms of SCCA motorsport only if they are a permanent part of the upright, meaning the attaching bolts can't just pass through, there must be two sepaate sets of fasteners.

Yes RCA or NCRCA's(offset for additional camber),I made my own.Combined with an upwards relocated inner control arm pivot and a tie rod spacer worked just fine despite my very much lowered ride height.

No bump steer,no weirdness with steering effort or feel even with additional castor and no power steering.

Fitzauto
Fitzauto Dork
7/2/17 10:55 a.m.

In reply to kevlarcorolla:

I have. Disconnecting the rear sway made a big difference on corner exit. Still figuring out what shock settings are best and considering buying traction brackets.

Tyler H
Tyler H GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
7/2/17 2:05 p.m.

My older friend got one of these when we were in high school. First time I ever went 80mph.

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
7/2/17 3:14 p.m.
Fitzauto wrote: In reply to kevlarcorolla: I have. Disconnecting the rear sway made a big difference on corner exit. Still figuring out what shock settings are best and considering buying traction brackets.

Right or wrong what I've always done to settle in on damper settings is start soft and drive the car paying attention to the number of oscillations after a bump or dip.Stiffen until its just one cycle at each end.

That's as stiff as you need to go,from there its usually soften or stiffen the rear depending on chassis balance for that surface/tire/temperature etc.

For me the jury is out on the effectiveness of traction brackets,I honestly couldn't tell on the good AE86 and on the ice racer AE86 I ran them until the diff blew up...swapped in a complete housing in a hurry to finish the day minus the brackets and couldn't tell then either.

I'd do a 3.5 link as discussed before spending money on the brackets.

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
7/2/17 3:16 p.m.

In reply to Tyler H:

Did the instrument cluster start ding-donging like a Subaru door chime?

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
7/2/17 4:14 p.m.

I remember dudes in 2004 "wanting that" chime because JdM. Ironically, the Japanese guys remove them.

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy UltraDork
7/3/17 5:40 p.m.

Hmmmm, $8900..... for an SR5..... there were a few threads on the ORIGINAL Club4AG forums where I was saying these cars would be worth some $$. Can't tell you how many people thought I was fantasizing....

If that is "worth" $8900... does that make my custom AE71 worth more than $10 large???

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
7/3/17 6:05 p.m.

In reply to oldeskewltoy:

Yes

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
7/3/17 7:09 p.m.

In reply to oldeskewltoy:

Probably not... modified usually makes a car worth less unless there is a certain name attached to the car.

And cars are stock only once.

I wonder how much that zero mile, still has plastic on the seats and carpet GT-S will go for. The one in Scandinavia somewhere that the guy put in his basement when he bought it.

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