I'm so on the fence i can feel it in my throat. :D
Everyone's responses are encouraging though. I guess that's what this board is, a bunch of enablers.
I'm so on the fence i can feel it in my throat. :D
Everyone's responses are encouraging though. I guess that's what this board is, a bunch of enablers.
Let's be honest no one that can repair the car is going to give you $6k for it. If you do the repair and drive it a few years, you have a better shot at breaking even and having some fun.
Sorry to hear about the engine. It's a hard decision to cut bait or power ahead.
It looks like a used head is approximately $750 on car-part.com. Have you considered throwing a used head on it and calling it a day?
In reply to AnthonyGS :
No offense but duh huh
pimpm3 said:Sorry to hear about the engine. It's a hard decision to cut bait or power ahead.
It looks like a used head is approximately $750 on car-part.com. Have you considered throwing a used head on it and calling it a day?
There are a lot of while you are in there parts and a special tool for setting timing that costs 400-$500 dollars
Timing chains and guides should be tackled, the ims should be replaced etc...
However this may be the path I take, my doubt comes from the knowledge that more than likely the rod bearings are damaged. You have to split the case and do a full rebuild to check them.
I got an invoice for a full rebuild (just for parts and special tools no labor) at just over $5k. A performance build that sees 3.4 power is closer to 10k. Neither of these numbers include repairs to the cracked head (2k ).
Well, the Vorshlag mustang has sold, so I guess you'll have to fix this car now!
I'd want to do the full rebuild rather than risk and worry about the rest of the internals. ***That reminds me that I still need to get an oil analysis done on my '04 Flood car.
"Flaps10" documented a rebuild in pretty good detail on the 986 Forum. He had metal in the filter from the IMS and bad main bearings.
http://986forum.com/forums/diy-project-guides/54170-my-diy-engine-rebuild.html
If you are considering a rebuilt performance engine, take a look at the one BYProdriver is selling on the 986 forum and Rennlist. (Make an offer)
Mad_Ratel said:pimpm3 said:Sorry to hear about the engine. It's a hard decision to cut bait or power ahead.
It looks like a used head is approximately $750 on car-part.com. Have you considered throwing a used head on it and calling it a day?
There are a lot of while you are in there parts and a special tool for setting timing that costs 400-$500 dollars
Timing chains and guides should be tackled, the ims should be replaced etc...
However this may be the path I take, my doubt comes from the knowledge that more than likely the rod bearings are damaged. You have to split the case and do a full rebuild to check them.
I got an invoice for a full rebuild (just for parts and special tools no labor) at just over $5k. A performance build that sees 3.4 power is closer to 10k. Neither of these numbers include repairs to the cracked head (2k ).
The a further-but-similar extent, what is the availability and possibility of just buying a whole new used longblock for these? I'm porsche-ignorant, so I'm genuinely curious.
In reply to golfduke :
They're out there. I've seen 3.2 engines from $1500 - $3500 depending on the condition and seller. 2.7 engines can be had for quite a bit less with some patience.
Correct, you can buy a 3.2 for the $3500 range. But most warranties require a certified mechanic to install it else you are up sh its creek.
you also have no guarantee the engine is not in the same or worst condition as mine.
3.2: ~$3500
3.4: ~$5k
My prices came from EBS Racing. They helped my dad rebuild his 1983 911 years ago and were a wellfont of information. Don called me back yesterday afternoon and spent an hour on the phone with me discussing options and experience with the cars. We had some very interesting discussion about the lack of books (dad was able to purchase a book th at covered every bolt and nut of a rebuild and what to do/not do), discussion of various vendors (Hoffman, Raby etc.) I value his input greatly. He also seems to get that I want to do this myself and never once pushed me or asked if I'd rather just buy a motor from him rebuilt already.
AAZCD is the one listed for $15k the one you are talking about? That's a considerable chunk of cash for the motor and i think any offer I'd be willing to make would be taken as insulting by him. It also seems like teh cost/benefit ratio is ludicrous performace/price. The 3.3 build for 10k in parts was quoted as "near 3.4" power. Which is a lot of money that you will never see back for what 60 rwhp?
That $15k motor put down 265 rwhp. so 45 hp more than my stock 3.2? As far as i can tell. yeah it's more but for $10k more than rebuilding my motor?
Mad_Ratel said:In reply to AnthonyGS :
No offense but duh huh
Okay but you spent a long time posting trying to justify selling the car or doing the obvious. I was just summing up concisely, not appreciated, got it.
AnthonyGS said:Mad_Ratel said:In reply to AnthonyGS :
No offense but duh huh
Okay but you spent a long time posting trying to justify selling the car or doing the obvious. I was just summing up concisely, not appreciated, got it.
I also mentioned knowing I would not get what I have in it. Maybe I was rambling too much? And it got lost in my post. I did not take offense at your message at all.
At this point, I'm going to list it as is. (well, with all the parts I have for it installed.) and see what kind of offers I get. If they do not meet my threshold for financial pain I will re-evaluate my priorities. I will be fully honest with the condition of the car. I do not intend to blind side anyone with problems. I'm always the guy that puts new tires on a car to sell and buys the nice tires. (in this case brand new continentals).
This has far from scared me away from Porsche. I absolutely love the car as it handles/drives and have enjoyed 99% of the work I have had to do on it.
My reasoning? no matter what this was a short term car for me. I wanted in a Porsche again BAD. I also have 1 boy in kindergarten and another starting in 1.5 years. At which point 99% of my use would be gone. If the car were reliable i'd be using it to get to the airport and back (1 hour away) for work. I cannot risk my job on a car breaking down on me. As such i need a 2+2. i.e. a 911 or a mustang gt. TBH, I know that the mustang will need quite a bit in suspension to be equivalent. and I'd need to spend some extra dollars to buy a 997.2 or newer car.
In reply to Mad_Ratel :
Thanks for reaching out. I think my reply via e mail applies reasonably well still. I think listing it and fishing for interest isn't a bad idea. If you do decide to rebuild, Jon at EBS has been giving great pricing and advice on RL for these engines. I have a few of his parts I obtained via LN myself that I still need to install. I'm working on my 996 today and it looks like I will need new spark plug tubes soon and maybe an RMS, but they are barely weeping, but appear to have been weeping a while. The clutch RMS and LN IMSB were installed 20k ago though so I'm not overly worried about it. I also need to do the water pump soon. Raby says the number one source of cracked heads is a chip in the water pump impeller causing hot spots, but who knows. Hoffman is the only guy I trust to repair one.
Your sons will fit in the back of a 996. I've also owned tons of Mustangs. The new 2011+ are a lot of car for the money. It's bigger and heavier, but the performance will surprise you. The 996 back seat is okay for little kids, but you can actually squeeze adults in the back seat of a Mustang.
Updates coming.
Heater Core broken: aka how to flood your car with nasty oil/water mix aka I'm a big man shoved in a frunk aka child labor!, turns out it's not just for phones!
Also, "local" junkyard listed a 3.2 "without intake" for 3k. Just do not worry about the car that was on fire attached to it.
I would agree with your logic here and sell it. With the need for a back seat and reliable transportation to work, probably not the right time for a Boxster. Plenty of good, fun and reliable cars out there you can drive for this stage of your life and then revisit Porsches when the timing is right later on in life. Been there (not with Porsches, but two seaters) now with the kids out of the house, I am surrounded by sports cars :-)
Good luck with the sale, plenty of people looking for a cheap way to get into a Porsche, so disclose the engine issues, and let someone buy it to build it "their way". Personally, I would just find a decent used engine and enjoy it for a while and then sell it, but it sounds like you really need to move on, so hopefully you will find the right person for the car.
Used head, or can the head be checked at a machine shop, maybe welded if cracks are detected? Then you are at ~$1000? if you had to get a different head checked out, or <$500 if you brought them your own head. I thought Aluminum heads were supposed to be great for their fixability...
In reply to Agent98 :
shops that are reputable with the heads charge ~2500 to repair one head. another told me "it's made of pot metal and I refuse to fix them".
To be clear, i have a 2014 f150 that we use for family duty and my wife dailies a 2013 Mini cooper S clubman. The boxster is a toy i bought to have fun with.
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