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Apexcarver
Apexcarver PowerDork
5/22/18 7:56 a.m.
Apexcarver said:

Dont forget a rear axle.

 

IIRC this is the way to go https://www.spohn.net/shop/1982-1992-GM-F-Body/Drivetrain/Moser-Ford-9-Rear/Moser-Engineering-Ford-9-Housing-Only.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkZ2_tICQ2wIVGrjACh1W3QxrEAQYAiABEgKi0fD_BwE

 

The 10 bolt wouldnt live long on 400hp if driven aggressively, Ford 9" is probably the best solution. 

This is the housing only, it would still need to be assembled

Apexcarver
Apexcarver PowerDork
5/22/18 7:58 a.m.

Heres the more ready to run (but you may still need an LSD.  Suggest Torsen T2R or similar) 

https://www.spohn.net/shop/1982-1992-GM-F-Body/Drivetrain/Moser-Ford-9-Rear/Moser-Engineering-Ford-9-Housing-Axle-Package.html

Apexcarver
Apexcarver PowerDork
5/22/18 8:01 a.m.

The rear axle is a major hurdle on these cars for someone trying to work on the cheap.  Those are the easy and bolt in solution. There are more involved ways to solve that problem, but may involve more in depth skills.  (structural welding on mission critical parts)

GTXVette
GTXVette SuperDork
5/22/18 8:05 a.m.

look at Speedway motors for a complete rear as well as moser and strange. a complete floater from speedway is enough for your needs and much lighter than a NASCAR floater, they aren't as heavy duty as a nascar in the hub and brake area,and you don't need that extra beef. there is a chunk being made that bolts to the torque arm. 

Apexcarver
Apexcarver PowerDork
5/22/18 8:13 a.m.

Difference being setting the axle up for the mounts that the 3rd gen requires. This requires the afore structural welding of mission critical parts. 

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
5/22/18 8:38 a.m.

In reply to YoungFanatic48 :

I admire your lofty aspirations.  Very exciting.  I have also experienced plans that didn't come out quite the way I had hoped.

You have a couple resources I never had- you have more money available to do a build like this, and apparently your Dad has some experience you can draw on which will help you a lot.

Your questions are indicating that you have a lot to learn.  Without prior build experience, there is a risk of disappointment.

For a first build, I would encourage you to try to have manageable goals.  I am not saying you can't achieve what you are targeting, I'm saying it's a lofty goal, and many of us on this board have experienced builds that didn't come to fruition.  The difficult part about having money available for your build is that the cost of missing the mark could be significant.

You are in a good place to get encouragement and help, and that is excellent.

If it was me, I'd try a simpler build for a first effort.  Get your feet wet.  Perhaps I am just an underachiever. cheeky

Just a thought.  Carry on!

GTXVette
GTXVette SuperDork
5/22/18 12:27 p.m.

We all are likely to agree with this , Paul knows, I KNOW, start with a solid performer, then in a year or two build it up some more,

YoungFanatic48
YoungFanatic48 New Reader
5/22/18 9:10 p.m.

Can you explain “simpler build” I love cars and would be glad to work on many before making one that really matters to me. Plus, I kinda jumped the gun... Lol. My dad decided a couple days ago he wants to wait until my older brother (also wants to be a part of this) to be done with his degree (A couple years from now). That being said, I have some time before I get into the bigger one. So, got a suggestion for a simpler build first? 

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
5/22/18 9:31 p.m.

In reply to YoungFanatic48 :

Anything you love.  Preferably complete, and running.

I would suggest something with good aftermarket support, so you can find marque specific forums, and plenty of bolt on speed parts.

The Camaro is not a bad choice.  Mustang is another good one.  But a motor swap for your first car project is a little big.

Start with something running.  Make changes that are small enough that it will be running again by the end of the weekend every time you work on it.  Take it to a venue regularly (like a drag strip, or an autocross course), and see if you can make improvements.  Talk with guys at the venues for ideas.  

YoungFanatic48
YoungFanatic48 New Reader
5/22/18 9:37 p.m.

Okay, thanks for the input. I’ve never really looked or thought about it, but I do have a 04 Silverado Z71 that is a daily driver. Suppose tinkering a little with that would be a good idea? (I wouldn’t get anything I couldn’t do in a day or two since it is the thing I mainly drive)

YoungFanatic48
YoungFanatic48 New Reader
5/24/18 9:22 p.m.

Okay, so I did a little digging and because of the relatively high mileage and limited things I’d do right now. I have a little compiled list that includes changing the coolant, transmission fluid, and differential oil. (Would do the engine oil/filter but I did that only a thousand miles ago) then, without getting too far into things just yet, I looked at getting a cat-back system from flow master (their American Thunder series one for my truck), some headers, the 57 series K&N air intake, some good spark plugs and replacement wires, and possibly a throttle body spacer. Let me know if this seems a little crazy, and definitely give me your opinion of the throttle body spacer!

stylngle2003
stylngle2003 GRM+ Memberand New Reader
5/25/18 8:11 a.m.

don't bother with the spacer or the intake.  The added expense of the full intake can be used elsewhere.  Look into the airaid "modular intake tube", which goes between the throttle body and airbox, then get a dry performance filter in the stock size.  should run way less than $200 total.  

if you really want to replace stuff, coated headers, a cam, and a tune will wake that thing up.  but not an off-the-shelf tune....those are junk.

brian tooley racing makes great truck cams.  i'd do stage 1, personally, but a cam swap can tend to invite a lot of other "while you're in there" purchases/delays.

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
5/25/18 8:47 a.m.
YoungFanatic48 said:

Can you explain “simpler build” I love cars and would be glad to work on many before making one that really matters to me. Plus, I kinda jumped the gun... Lol. My dad decided a couple days ago he wants to wait until my older brother (also wants to be a part of this) to be done with his degree (A couple years from now). That being said, I have some time before I get into the bigger one. So, got a suggestion for a simpler build first? 

This could be a blessing. With so little about this project being defined, it will give you time to work on this aspect of the project. Waiting for your brother is a nice gesture, but what exactly does he bring to the effort? 

I am trying to find a polite way of putting this: You remind me of someone who decides he needs to be married, but does not really know why or what to expect from a marriage; just something all my friends are doing, so maybe I should be doing it also. And maybe buy a house and have a baby, but maybe just a dog to start, I don't know.

 

Another thing I sense is that your Dad is doing this ( financial pillar) as a bonding gesture with his  boys. He does not seem sold on any given car and neither do you. I find that strange since most of us who do a project of this magnitude already have experience with what we want to build, and/or a vision that we have been cultivating for years; this vision acts like the grain of sand in an oyster and drives the project to some kind of conclusion. The vision does not have to be brand specific since you are building a Hort-Rod, but it should be something that is well ingrained in your mind. 

 

With two years before you have to execute, I would go buy the nicest 67 Mustang or Camaro ( or whatever turns your crank) that  I could find and drive it around as bought. Decide what you do or do not like about it. Maybe you decide that you don't like the car itself, no big deal as you can sell a good car for pretty much what you bought it for, so it was fun AND cheap all told.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
5/25/18 8:54 a.m.

In reply to NOHOME :

That's a really good point. 

If this is a father/son bonding thing, I would suggest that it may be too late. Maybe he should buy tickets to the beach or a football game?

Im not being critical. I'm sharing my own experience. I tried a project like this with my son when it was too late- it didn't end well. 

Great f/s projects grow out of a lifetime of being side by side and sharing passions. 

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