Low buck 914 Outlaw project

Well is it an Outlaw or not?! Commercially available 180* headers should seal the deal here: start cutting.

I miss your 190 project...but this is interesting too. Carry on.

Where'd you sell your 190e I never saw it up for sale 

yupididit said:

Where'd you sell your 190e I never saw it up for sale 

It got listed here, but that was a long time ago...it was a roller if I recall correctly. I was seriously looking at dragging a trailer across the border to get that thing. I'd love to know what happened to it!

In reply to Mezzanine :

Not really sure what happened to the roller - the guy I sold it to said he wanted to put in a sr20 motor?

The drivetrain ended up in an early 70’s Corrolla which is actually a pretty cool fate. 

I am warming to the idea of cutting the car after listening to a few 180* V8 headers online

In reply to 914 :

it's a catchy tune.

Speedway makes a kit and you can Streamline the headers tighter to the block, Shoenfeld makes many different designs that also exit to both or l or r side exit,

  I am searching for a set for a big block chevy, need to be useable or repairable.  NOT SO MUCH LOOKING FOR CHEAP,I can't find Any, at all and Shoenfeld won't make any

 IF YOU LIKE A CHEVY V8 WITH 180'S WAIT TILL YOU HEAR A BIG BLOCK AT 7 GRAND

How heavy is a small block compared to (say) the VW group turbo four that they put in absolutely everything for a while?

I heard 2 guys could pick up and install a 1.8 turbo engine

I don't think you could get 6 guys in an engine bay, and with a small block too. 

sbc runs about 525 hard to get much lighter, but it can add up fast.

Maybe a little off topic but I am totally done with using any modern VW power plants in a swap. 

If I was to go the inline 4 cylinder route it would be the FAR superior Honda K series of motors.

I am still kind of shaping the plans for this car as I go... but I think a vintage V8 is going to be pretty fun - yes there are plenty of technically better choices but I don’t care.

I went from a Volvo with a 370 bhp turbo 2.3 I5 to a Mercedes with a 370 bhp 5.4 NA V8 - same headline power, totally different way of delivering it, I can't see myself going back to turbo-charging.

I just wondered about the VW turbo 4 as it could be seen as a descendant of the 1.7 you moved on.

A short stroke V8 would be a lot of fun I am sure.

In keeping with the low buck mandate... I picked up 2 brand new 205/50r15’s for the front and 2 almost new 215/60r15’s for the rear. $135 for all. Finding tire options in 15” is getting harder for sure these days. 

I will probably be switching out the cookie cutters for repro Fuchs at some point anyway to get the right rim widths to really fill the flares. 7 or 8” front and 9” rear would be optimal and in 16”. 17” can be had in repro’s And there are tons of tire choices but I am not sold yet on it looking right. The car for sure has to be really low or it looks kind of Donk to me.

Off topic but anyone looking for a nice collection of vintage car audio amps for a period correct project?

I have 4 early 90’s Alpines, 1 later Alpine and 1 2x100 oldschool Alphasonik. The only one I haven’t tested is the newer Alpine - the others all worked great.

$250 for the lot - selling off some of the “unnecessary collections” of stuff I have hoarded away to fund more 914 purchases. 

Love how this is looking. My boss has a 914 with "plans" to put a 383 stroker in it  for longer than I've known him (12+ years). He has the engine which has now been in a garage fire. He has the adapter plater and like a whole swap kit he bought probably 15+ years ago that miraculously survived a flood. He's got an old 911 transaxle which he fairly recently broke when transporting the car from one long-term sitting place to another.

No forward progress as far I know has ever been made on it. Unless you count my help fiber-glassing on some ridiculously huge rear fender flares to fit the huge drag radials he plans to run and him installing a huge roof intake to funnel cooling to the engine bay. I'll have to take some pictures next time I'm over there.

Looks like this project is already a million years ahead, and might actually get finished! Can't wait to hear this mythical 8k 350 with 180-degree headers, seems like it will make a very dirty noise, in a good way.

Those 914 v8 swaps tend to run a little warm since there really isn't any air flow. I can't see a pair of 180 headers helping that problem! Also of you plan on tracking that beast those studs will pull through a redrilled hub.

tooms351 said:

Those 914 v8 swaps tend to run a little warm since there really isn't any air flow. I can't see a pair of 180 headers helping that problem! Also of you plan on tracking that beast those studs will pull through a redrilled hub.

 

I used the early ‘70 hubs that have raised bosses cast into them where the 5 bolt pattern went on the 914-6’s. I have not heard of those breaking - this is just a street car anyway. 

Those hubs are a lot stronger than what I was running and will be fine for the street, plus I had 255x16 slicks on the back. After about 5 trackday at Sebring those hubs were toast. I had a 72 with a 327 and that car could beat just about anything up to 120mph before either, it ran out of rpms or I ran out of guts lol.

Even though Nascar engines CAN spin 9 grand and use a 3.48 stroke , I never see Garage built 350's ever running 7 grand repeatedly. but for that extra $25,000 you would expect that

  HOWEVER, a 3.25 stroke can spin 7 all day long as a back yard build.

    NASCAR implemented a rule early 70's that engines have a 4" bore .030, over  and a displacement of 355 max. to stop engines like the Mighty Mouse build, aka 400 block 327 crank 

Peter Lehman of Lone Wolf Canada built it for an online project, specs,V E  flow data, hp and Tq. are all posted. we were all hanging out at Chevy High Performance Mag. back then . it made right at 600 hp at -----------.  try it you'll like it

I am leaning toward a small journal 283/327 motor currently. Will probably depend more on what comes available but that is the direction I am heading. Mostly a stockish build with headers, cam, heads and decent intake. 

This is is what I would really like to run - I am sure it would sound ridiculous with 180* headers. 

A Smokey Ram may be more affordable , with two of those itty bitty 450 4bbl's. now IF YOU DARE, Hilborn Fuel Injection set up's can be had NICE for 1400 bucks, that Weber type set up was $2500 years ago.

Could get away with doing R1 carbs on custom manifolds, or similar literbike ITBs. Could potentially be a lot cheaper than a dedicated setup. 

simon_C said:

Could get away with doing R1 carbs on custom manifolds, or similar literbike ITBs. Could potentially be a lot cheaper than a dedicated setup. 

About 5 years ago I built this tri-power efi intake set-up for an FE Ford 390 I put in a 65 Falcon. It used 3 CBR1000RR throttle bodies. 

Bought some freshly redone early SBC “power pack” Gm heads - for the 283 I don’t own yet.... Date stamp 1963. All new valves, guides, seals, aftermarket springs and aluminum retainers. $50 for the pair . 

These were the factory upgrade (barely) heads for 283’s and early 327’s. These heads came stock on 250hp 327’s which puts them right in the power range I am looking for. Certainly better heads out there but for the price and intended power target these should be just fine. 

I picked up a cheap set of nice 15x7 cookie cutters  . 

Going to to look at getting the rears widened to 8” or possibly 9”.

Then repainted a similar colour to these:

Chiming in a little late here, but why not consider a small block Ford.  A 302 will rev forever (3" stroke), and is more compact and considerably lighter than the SBC.