dpspeed
dpspeed New Reader
12/27/24 10:37 p.m.

I'm looking at picking up a sedan with manual transmission for street duty, but would still be fun to take to an occasional track/autocross day.

Ideally, I'd like to buy something for $6-8k and spend $2-3k in upgrades/fixes because I know these vehicles are going to be older and probably need a little love.

Wants:
- 4 doors or at least comfortable for 2 adults and 2 kids (I think we'll drive it more if 4 door)
- manual transmission (non-negotiable) 
- fun, good handling chassis
- want to keep the car fairly stock'ish (wheels, tires, shocks, maybe light springs, brake pads)
- 20+ mpg a plus
- non-premium fuel would be nice, but not required
- quick enough on track to not be a road block like my old NA Miata in the instructor group at VIR...



Here's my running list...

BMW E46 330i
BMW E90 325-330i
Subaru WRX
Acura TSX
VW GTI
Audi A4
Civic Si
S197 Mustang GT (coupe, I know)
8th Gen Civic Si

WHAT ELSE?! Any advice is appreciated.

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/27/24 11:13 p.m.

SI, either generation. Drive it more, fix it less. 

EchoTreeSix
EchoTreeSix Reader
12/27/24 11:22 p.m.

In reply to Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) :

Great motto. I would add in G35/G37. 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
12/27/24 11:28 p.m.

Mustang or a Civic

Snrub
Snrub Dork
12/27/24 11:56 p.m.

I know you said sedan, but I've noticed the price of Fiesta STs has really been dropping. For your budget I suspect you could get one that doesn't need anything, other than better pads and maybe better tires. It would likely be newer than the other options you've listed.

I really like mine, it's really fun, has a good sensation of speed, practical and economical. It only gives up a few hp when running 87 octane. Parts are readily available from other models (engine is is same as the escape) or regular fiestas. 

buzzboy
buzzboy UltraDork
12/28/24 7:21 a.m.

2nd Gen Mazda 3 or Mazda Speed 3

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/28/24 8:22 a.m.

It's been a while since I was in an S197, but from memory I wouldn't call them full time four seaters. 

ddavidv
ddavidv UltimaDork
12/28/24 8:36 a.m.

I wouldn't expect the rear seats in a S197 to be used for anything other than children of single digit ages.

I'll also help your list by suggesting no German cars. And that's from a guy who used to be exclusively European cars.  Just not worth the endless headaches.

Another vote for Mazdas. They are so overlooked.

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/28/24 9:18 a.m.

RWD: E90

AWD: E90

FWD: Civic si

SKJSS (formerly Klayfish)
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) UltimaDork
12/28/24 9:58 a.m.

I'll vote E90.  My 328xi 6spd (AWD inoperable) has a comfy back seat, gets 30mpg highway/26 suburban, has 292k on the original unopened motor and transmission, still sees occasional track duty.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
12/28/24 11:34 a.m.

If you go e90 get a 330i. 

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
12/28/24 2:22 p.m.

In reply to dpspeed :

Your final words were: 
WHAT ELSE?! Any advice is appreciated.

I see that Mustang is on your list but Camaro is not.  The Mustang never offered a 4 door but the Camaro kinda did...

Cadillac ATS is a small sedan (and coupe) that is a chassis-mate to the final generation of Camaro.  Rear drive, 2.0L turbo that could be had with a 6 speed manual.  www.fueleconomy.gov say it was rated for 19/23/29 but does say it only calls for 87 octane!  
Think of it as Cadillac builds a BMW 3-series competitor.  If you're a long legged driver the rear seat may still be cramped for adults...maybe.  

A sample in Georgia:  '14 w/83k asking $11k

amg_rx7 (Forum Supporter)
amg_rx7 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
12/28/24 8:23 p.m.

The Cadillac is definitely worth considering 

GTwannaB
GTwannaB GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/28/24 8:57 p.m.

GLI or Legacy GT? Maybe you can find a Lancer GT or GTS (same thing)

roninsoldier83
roninsoldier83 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/28/24 10:16 p.m.
OHSCrifle said:

If you go e90 get a 330i. 

328i + 3-stage DISA intake manifold & tune= 330i laugh

I agree that the 330i is a bit of an easier place to start due to not having to swap the manifold, but it's a pretty easy swap and limiting the OP to only the 330i means he can only shop for a 2006 model year, which really limits his options. Much easier to find a 328i and just swap in the manifold + tune. 

 

CyberEric
CyberEric SuperDork
12/28/24 10:42 p.m.

I think the previous posts have pretty much covered it. If you go E90, buy one from someone who cared for the car. This is of course true for every car, but seems especially true for BMWs. 
 

Id prefer a Civic Si for this use case, but good luck finding a nice one with low miles that isn't trashed. I never see them without a billion miles, a bunch of terrible mods, and a clean title. For that reason, the Mazda 3 would be my pick, but I get they're not as sexy or fast as that ATS or a E90. But you could save the money for mods.
 

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/28/24 11:43 p.m.

Man, I really wanted a manual ATS, but i ended up with the E92 because the PO was a close friend who is meticulous on maintenance. 

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