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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/12/23 9:46 a.m.

Yeah, surprised to see Ferrari win but congratulations to them. Around the 12-hour mark, I figured it was Toyota’s race to lose, even though they had already lost a car. 

And, yes to more Camaros and more Camaro coverage. I hardly saw them on the feed. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/12/23 9:53 a.m.

And my friend Steve welcomed us to his shop this weekend to watch the race. It was perfect. 

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia UberDork
6/12/23 11:28 a.m.

My friend is driving in the LeMans Classic in a couple weeks , 

I am going to make sure  he puts on some " race " wiper blades instead of the original thin wire wipers that are on it now ,

All the crashes in the rain was pretty scary !

Aaron_King
Aaron_King GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/12/23 11:54 a.m.

That was one of the most engaging Le Mans 24's I have watched.

ConiglioRampante
ConiglioRampante New Reader
6/12/23 12:35 p.m.

I find the tire tech advances as interesting as any other part of the cars.  Double or even triple stints on a set?  Go for it.

This piece in The Drive has Michelin's thoughts on tire tech, the trickle down from motorsports, and the company's fundamental disagreement with F1. 
https://www.thedrive.com/news/michelin-still-not-interested-in-f1-unless-it-can-supply-tires-that-dont-destroy-themselves#

Sorry for the pop-ups on that site, so here are some pertinent quotes:

"In conversation with The Drive's editor-in-chief Kyle Cheromcha, Michelin CEO Florent Menegaux explained that while a return to F1 is always on the table, the French tire company simply cannot agree with how the series relies on tire degradation to improve "the show."

"The question is, how do we leverage technology to have a good show? And that’s where F1 comes into play, because we have been discussing with them for a very long time—and we are not in agreement," Menegaux told The Drive. "Because they [F1] say to have the show, you have to have tires that destroy themselves. And I think, we [Michelin] don’t know how to do this. So, we cannot agree.

"Teams should be understanding tire performance and capitalizing on the fact that the tire is going to be performing from the first lap around the circuit to the last. The drivers will tell you they want to be at their maximum all the time. And when I hear the drivers in Formula 1—I like Formula 1—but they say no no, it’s not possible," he added.
 

Menegaux's mention of tires that "destroy themselves" specifically highlights the fact that Pirelli tires are designed to degrade at specific rates to improve on-track action. However, it's worth pointing to the many instances where tires have literally destroyed themselves in dramatic fashion at circuits with high top speeds due to running on the very edge of performance. The most recent example of this took place in Baku back in 2021.

Tire degradation has always been a hot issue in F1 regardless of era or tire supplier. Even back in the days of Michelin and Goodyear, tire deg, performance, and the political games that always surround F1 gave people plenty to talk about. For Menegaux, however, it's rather simple: Why is Michelin involved in racing, to begin with?

"First, we need to remind ourselves why Michelin is in racing," Menegaux told The Drive. "The first element is not about the show. It’s not about the brand. It’s about the technology. We are in racing because it’s the best way to very quickly live test new technology. That’s the first reason."

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Personally, I think Michelin has chosen wisely; having tires that last is not incongruous with having a good show.  The 24 Hours of Le Mans was a very good -if not great- show.

wae
wae PowerDork
6/12/23 12:48 p.m.
ConiglioRampante said:

 "Because they [F1] say to have the show, you have to have tires that destroy themselves. And I think, we [Michelin] don’t know how to do this. So, we cannot agree.

2005 called and would like to call bullE36 M3 on that statement!

crankwalk (Forum Supporter)
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
6/16/23 6:37 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

Yeah, surprised to see Ferrari win but congratulations to them. Around the 12-hour mark, I figured it was Toyota’s race to lose, even though they had already lost a car. 

And, yes to more Camaros and more Camaro coverage. I hardly saw them on the feed. 

I love this photo from Jamey Price of the cars on the grid. The Camaro just looks like the big kid in the back row on class picture day.

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