The Californian
The Californian New Reader
11/9/19 7:38 p.m.

 

Could someone post a picture of one loose here please?

With something next to it so I can see how big it is please?

The older verstion of engine the better.

I mean this engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_60%C2%B0_V6_engine

Looking for small V6 to adapt to Corvair transaxle.

How do I get email alerts when somebody responds please?

The Californian
The Californian New Reader
11/9/19 7:53 p.m.

 

Gee.Search the internet.It turned up something decent.

Here is pic.

Well.I know how big the Holley is.Looks like a flat top.

So.Yes.That be a small engine.Carb looks kind of too big for it.

Never have that problem with any of our engines.:)

 

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/9/19 8:40 p.m.

They are super compact.  Later aluminum head versions come in up to 3.9 liters and are relatively easy to make the harness stand alone for the efi.  The iron head rwd versions came in 2.8, 3.1 and 3.4 displacements.  

The Californian
The Californian New Reader
11/9/19 10:17 p.m.

 

Thank you Patrick

Just 'tire kicking'.

It is on my list to look at a few of them.

That picture in an MGB pulled it together for me.

I know that car.

There is left over room in THAT engine compartment.

Must be a small engine!

Kreb
Kreb GRM+ Memberand UberDork
11/9/19 11:52 p.m.

They are narrow because of the 60 degree configuration, but fairly tall as well. The pushrod versions are decent motors - for 30 years ago.  

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/10/19 12:12 a.m.

That's the nature of 60 degree vee engines - narrow and tall.

media.gm.com has a great selection of photos of engines, all from the same angle. I've found it very useful when looking at accessory drives. It probably doesn't go back to antique engines but I know that it does go back 20 years. Might take a bit of hunting, they keep reorganizing them.

pirate
pirate HalfDork
11/10/19 8:28 a.m.

3.4 V6 with Holley Four Barrel. There is a website http://www.60degreev6.com that has all kinds of information about these engines. Not sure how active it is but if you can't find info there you just can't find it.

The Californian
The Californian New Reader
11/10/19 12:43 p.m.

 

Thanks Pirate

Beats me why nobody will build a small block and big block car using same layout as Super 7.

I highly doubt if you make it very similar whether Lotus is going to come look for you.

The original purpose of the Super 7 was to make sports car racing affordable.

If you build one just for yourself Lotus could care less.

Probably these current Chatham type Super 7 builders would hassle you if you started selling

chassis.

People act like they fall off the edge of the earth if they copy Super 7 but just scale it up for

small block and big block.

Ohhh! Have to use a Super 7 tiny tubing frame! Like heck you do!

Ohhh! Have to use Super 7 suspension! Just build it with whatever suspension.

It is not going to immediately make a sharp left or right turn when you go to drive it!

Common sense isn't very common anymore!

 

pirate
pirate HalfDork
11/10/19 1:03 p.m.

Take a look here for V8 Lotus 7 type cars.   http://stalkercars.com/

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/10/19 1:34 p.m.

Paging dusterbd...

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
11/10/19 2:11 p.m.

Hi!

Im the resident 60 degree fanboy!

 

If youre thinking about swapping one, do it. Especially in a corvair. Should be plenty of room. Hell, i swapped a fwd 3400 in the miata on a challenge budget. Its pretty simple really....

What questions do you have?

wspohn
wspohn Dork
11/10/19 2:40 p.m.

The injected versions are by far the best and much less packaging issue than the carb sticking up on top.

Engine (1994 Camaro 3.4):

 

Engine in my MGA:

 

 

The Californian
The Californian New Reader
11/12/19 7:21 p.m.

 

' What questions do you have? '

A whole bunch of them!

Could you PM me with your contact info please?

I think because I only registered about a week ago it is not allowing PM's.

Am interested in starting at the bottom.

Early cast iron head/block ones with carburetor and simple ignition.

Regular transmission not sideways one.

Let me know.

 

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
11/12/19 7:29 p.m.

You have mail!

But just in case...

 

 I have no problem whatsoever doing a phone call! Im on the east coast, and generally free most days between 5pm and 9pm. Work hours get interesting.... My number is 828-260-1254

Driven5
Driven5 UltraDork
11/13/19 1:15 a.m.
The Californian said:

 

Beats me why nobody will build a small block and big block car using same layout as Super 7.

I highly doubt if you make it very similar whether Lotus is going to come look for you.

The original purpose of the Super 7 was to make sports car racing affordable.

If you build one just for yourself Lotus could care less.

Probably these current Chatham type Super 7 builders would hassle you if you started selling

chassis.

People act like they fall off the edge of the earth if they copy Super 7 but just scale it up for

small block and big block.

Ohhh! Have to use a Super 7 tiny tubing frame! Like heck you do!

Ohhh! Have to use Super 7 suspension! Just build it with whatever suspension.

It is not going to immediately make a sharp left or right turn when you go to drive it!

Common sense isn't very common anymore!

 

Starting this little rant proclaiming "nobody will build" such a car implies that you speak from some position of authority on the subject...Yet that's obviously not the case, as all you're talking about is a Stalker as produced by a company and a Locost (pronounced low-cost) as produced individually.  There is no shortage of upsized frames, pushrod V6/V8 engines, and cobbled together suspensions in the Locost community, and making it whatever will make you happy with whatever means you have available is generally supported and encouraged. Unfortunately, a couple of other things that aren't very common anymore are civility and tact.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand UberDork
11/13/19 6:26 a.m.

So as not to confuse....

 

There are 2 different 3.4liter engines.  The 3.4 from the camaro is not as strong as the 3400 found in fwd vehicles.  Both dusterbd and I have swapped 3400 into Mazda.  His in a miata, mine in an rx7.

 

I would strongly suggest going for a 3400 for ease of installation and future proofing to some degree.  It will make WAY more power out of the box than one of the carbed versions.

 

There is also a 3500 version of the engine

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand UberDork
11/13/19 6:28 a.m.

Also, the 1998 through 2002 camaro v6 transmission (wc t5) bolts right up to the engine.  Use a flywheel and clutch from a cavalier.  Use the htob from the camaro.

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
11/13/19 6:47 a.m.

In reply to wvumtnbkr :

Did you ever find out if the 3400/3500 oil pan interchangeable? 

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand UberDork
11/13/19 7:32 a.m.
Dusterbd13-michael said:

In reply to wvumtnbkr :

Did you ever find out if the 3400/3500 oil pan interchangeable? 

No, I have not.  I do not have the 3500 I bought at my shop yet.

Vigo
Vigo MegaDork
11/13/19 10:50 a.m.

The 3.4 from the camaro is not as strong as the 3400 found in fwd vehicles.

They're also not that far apart until you actually modify them. The Camaro motor has iron heads though, so it has a bit more weight up high.  I think they are only about 10-15hp apart when stock, but the iron head 3.4 is the 'best of the old' while the 3400 is more in the middle of the new stuff, and there is huge room to grow if you're starting with a 3400. Just a top end swap from a newer engine and a cam will have it at 250+hp when properly tuned.  

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