spacecadet (Forum Supporter) said:ProDarwin said:Yeah that 2021 price bump is nuts
they eliminated the non PP trim, which was a good change, otherwise the price went up about $1500 over the old PP?
a bit much, but not as crazy as it might have looked at first glance.
I don't know what it was in 2020, but in 2019, a N PP was sub $30k. Now its $32250, so it looks like about $2300 bump. The price gap between it and the TypeR just closed by almost 33%
In reply to ProDarwin :
But unlike the Hype R it's not ugly so that's worth some money....
Just checked, the HypeR starts at $37,495. Paint is an additional $395 apparently. Wireless charging is another $314. Destination charges puts it at $39,154. Veloster N starts at $32,450, destination puts it at $33,245. $5909 difference between them. 2019 they were $29,885 and $36,595, a differnece of $6710, or $800. Thats FAR from 33% I do believe.
EDIT Dos: 2020 MSRP for the N with the PP was $30695 with delivery. HypeR $37990, $7295. Interesting that theres more variance in the middle year. Basically $6-7k is the average gap.
Final Edit I swear: 2019 there was an 18% price difference between the two, 2020 was 19% and 16% this year. Thats a total change of 3% from all 3 years.
Tony Sestito said:In reply to ProDarwin :
There's actually two lines: N and N-Line.
N is the real, actual performance stuff that enthusiasts will care about. N-Line is the sporty appearance package stuff without the performance. Kia has the same deal with the GT and GT-Line. Yes, it's confusing.
I understand the difference, but to me that is a watering down of the N brand, just as BMW did with the M stuff.
I'm not saying its the wrong call, it might make sense for them to do. I appreciate when there is a very distinct branding difference between real performance and 'sport' stuff.
bobzilla said:In reply to ProDarwin :
But unlike the Hype R it's not ugly so that's worth some money....
Arguing about looks between those two cars is pretty silly. They are both polarizing. I have a Veloster, and it is ugly from some angles. I have an R-spec which is toned down compared to the N which just looks stupid in the back.
The HypeR has a 4th door which its worth quite a bit.
In reply to ProDarwin :
I updated with more maths.
Good call. I forgot to check R price 2 years ago. Also didn't realize that magazines publish #s without delivery fees. Confusing.
So yeah, ignore me I guess. Still a bummer that the price has gone up.
In reply to ProDarwin :
I don't disagree with that. I always hate price increases. I think the real question I have is how good is the 8speed dct?
bobzilla said:In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
Right? If they'd brought the Gen Coupe with this level of engineering available I can only imagine how awesome it would be now. It wasn't bad, it just wanst good enough.
And actually decide a direction for it. Make sure it is better than the competition at something. I really wanted to like it, but it couldn't decide if it was a Luxury coupe, a muscle car/pony car, a sports car, or a fun economy car. It didn't do any of them particularly well. It was a really good car, but someone looking for a good car is going to buy a Camry (or a Sonata). So there was always something else better than it, for whatever you wanted it to do. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Looks like that guy from BMW sure is helping out
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:bobzilla said:In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
Right? If they'd brought the Gen Coupe with this level of engineering available I can only imagine how awesome it would be now. It wasn't bad, it just wanst good enough.
And actually decide a direction for it. Make sure it is better than the competition at something. I really wanted to like it, but it couldn't decide if it was a Luxury coupe, a muscle car/pony car, a sports car, or a fun economy car. It didn't do any of them particularly well. It was a really good car, but someone looking for a good car is going to buy a Camry (or a Sonata). So there was always something else better than it, for whatever you wanted it to do. Jack of all trades, master of none.
I always thought the 3.8 was a good Grand Tourer. The 2.0T was a little lost
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