Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?
A good car does not a collectible make. There's simply too many of them.
Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?
A good car does not a collectible make. There's simply too many of them.
Osterizer wrote:Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?A good car does not a collectible make. There's simply too many of them.
i'm sure someone said that about the 60's muscle cars as well.
Strizzo wrote:Osterizer wrote:i'm sure someone said that about the 60's muscle cars as well.Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?A good car does not a collectible make. There's simply too many of them.
And most 60's muscle cars still aren't "collectable." Priced out 6-cylinder 1st gen Mustangs recently? I wouldn't say they're worthless, but they sure aren't collector status.
I think a lot will depend on which manufacturers go out of business.
Osterizer wrote:Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?A good car does not a collectible make. There's simply too many of them.
there are a lot of cars they made a ton of that are collectible. 1st gen Camaros and tri 5 Chevys come to mind right away.
A couple of real future collectibles:
Toyota Supra. FD RX-7. E30 M3. I'm going to say that 91-94 Sentra SE-R as well.
Toyota Supra.
Good call. When was the last time you saw a stock example?
Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?
Personally? They both look like cheap, American made pieces of sh*t, IMO. They might be great cars. I've never driven either one, but the build quality on the solstice looks about as craptastic as the SSR.
Actually, I'm betting the Miata is semi-collectable in another 20 years. Not a truly collectible investment, but viewed the way we look at old British roadsters from 30-40 years ago.
I'd add clean, stock S13 240SXs and AE86 Corolla GT-Ss to the list. These are the cars that today's youth are beating to holy crap and back, and they're the ones that are going to be looked back fondly upon.
poopshovel wrote:Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?Personally? They both look like cheap, American made pieces of sh*t, IMO. They might be great cars. I've never driven either one, but the build quality on the solstice looks about as craptastic as the SSR.
Frankly, that just isn't true. Most observers without an axe to grind, find the Solstice/Sky twins to very attractive as they are true to the concept cars. Additionally, the new coupe is a absolute stunner.
Osterizer wrote:Strizzo wrote:And most 60's muscle cars still aren't "collectable." Priced out 6-cylinder 1st gen Mustangs recently? I wouldn't say they're worthless, but they sure aren't collector status.Osterizer wrote:i'm sure someone said that about the 60's muscle cars as well.Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?A good car does not a collectible make. There's simply too many of them.
True. Model As and early 50s pickups are everywhere and cheap. Age alone doesn't make it a collectible.
Land Rover Defenders are already collectible in this country.
poopshovel wrote:Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?Personally? They both look like cheap, American made pieces of sh*t, IMO. They might be great cars. I've never driven either one, but the build quality on the solstice looks about as craptastic as the SSR.
But if you saw the Opel GT version first, would you say the same thing?
It's not a shot at calling you out on being biased, but could it be that badge on the front makes you think cheap quality?
On a long enough time line, everything will be collectible. Think of Beloque and the watch analogy from Raiders.
I think it is not a bad list...
Tried to buy a 6 cylinder 67 fastback Mustang - lately....
JeepinMatt wrote:poopshovel wrote:But if you saw the Opel GT version first, would you say the same thing? It's not a shot at calling you out on being biased, but could it be that badge on the front makes you think cheap quality?Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?Personally? They both look like cheap, American made pieces of sh*t, IMO. They might be great cars. I've never driven either one, but the build quality on the solstice looks about as craptastic as the SSR.
As long as it's shod in fake chrome trim and has a cabin filled with plastic pieces that all look like they're dying to break, it could have a ferrari badge on it, and I'd still say it LOOKS like a cheap piece of E36 M3. I dig the new Mustang. I LOVE the new Challenger. I like my truck. So it's not like I'm "hatin' on 'murican cars."
Again, the solstice and the sky might be great cars. I wouldn't know, as I've never driven or owned one. Regardless, I don't see them being "collectible" cars.
Ultimately, collectability is all about rarity. Then there is the nostalgia factor, which draws in some unexpected cars over time. Whatever car some high school kid dreams about but can't afford will retain value when he is successful in mid-life, because he'll be willing to pay the going price, however artificially inflated it might be.
Osterizer wrote: Mass production cars will probably not be "collectable."
Hrmm... This sounds like a Car Lounge comment. I expect more from the GRM forums.
Most car considered collectible now were mass production cars at one time.
What makes you think this will change in the future?
poopshovel wrote:Toyota Supra.Good call. When was the last time you saw a stock example?
Supras make me yawn.
poopshovel wrote: Again, the solstice and the sky might be great cars. I wouldn't know, as I've never driven or owned one. Regardless, I don't see them being "collectible" cars.
Yeah I don't think they're be collectibles for a while. Too many of them around.
How about a Hummer H3T, the little Hummer truck. Most notable as being the last Hummer introduction before the whole shooting match went down in flames.
There can not have been too many of these made? (or too many needed.)
I saw recently on Jay Leno's garage that he was reviewing his '09 Corvette ZR1 with the LS9. He kept pointing out how it will likely be the highest horsepower Corvette ever built. On top of that, the car's VIN was 00001 for the '09 model year.
That will be worth some money
Dan G wrote:poopshovel wrote:HERE Supras make me yawn.Toyota Supra.Good call. When was the last time you saw a stock example?
Not my cup of tea either. But think of how many F&F fanboiz will want one when they're 50.
d_jabsd wrote:Osterizer wrote: Mass production cars will probably not be "collectable."Hrmm... This sounds like a Car Lounge comment. I expect more from the GRM forums. Most car considered collectible now were mass production cars at one time. What makes you think this will change in the future?
Them's fighting words!
Most "mass produced" collectible cars were versions with a rare or highly desirable options package. Your normal, say, Coronet is still not a collectors piece. Add a Hemi to that (less than 1,000 sold, I think) and BAM, collector car.
Now, desire and nostalgia berkeley with things a bit. Not enough to change my "probably will not be 'collectible'" statement, though.
Survivability enters into the equation, too.
NYG95GA wrote: Ultimately, collectability is all about rarity AND DEMAND.
There, I fixed it for you.
NYG95GA wrote: Then there is the nostalgia factor, which draws in some unexpected cars over time. Whatever car some high school kid dreams about but can't afford will retain value when he is successful in mid-life, because he'll be willing to pay the going price, however artificially inflated it might be.
I think we're on the same page, here. What everybody wanted in their younger days - i.e. what was very desireable at the time - will be the car that appreciates the most in value.
Example: I know someone who has a 1969 AMX. I LOVE that car, but it will never be worth as much as a similarly aged mustang or corvette. It doesn't matter that you can't sneeze at a car show without getting snot on a mustang, or that you can go to MANY a show without seeing an AMX. The simple fact of the matter is that AMC's sports cars got no love back in the day, and they still don't.
What was desireable at the time will be even more so later on. If they didn't want it before, 30-50 years won't change much.
Osterizer wrote:Strizzo wrote:And most 60's muscle cars still aren't "collectable." Priced out 6-cylinder 1st gen Mustangs recently? I wouldn't say they're worthless, but they sure aren't collector status.Osterizer wrote:i'm sure someone said that about the 60's muscle cars as well.Volksroddin wrote: Why no love for the Sky/Solstice?A good car does not a collectible make. There's simply too many of them.
I had a shot at a '67(?) I6 mustang for 4k, with a suprisingly super clean body, being the land of road salt. maybe in 40 years a clean "red line" sky would be colectoble
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