I really like the XE and feels that it doesn't get the attention that it deserves. It has a handsome understated refined look, the chassis is solid, it offers rwd and a diesel. I can't even complain about the lack of a manual option in the diesel due to the lack of manual options across the board this days in everything except for the most basic economy cars, or the driver focused lightweight cars. But one thing that I do feel is lacking in the XE offering is the lack of this:
I mean just look at it.
The XE diesel starts at $39k. That's Volvo wagon territory (the FWD V60 starts at $36) and Volvo doesn't even offer a RWD option as of over 10 years ago. BMW wagons are AWD only and start above $42k
Do it Jag, do it. I know that you won't, but the wagon will draw attention to the sedan XE in a manner that press and reviews haven't, the niche wagon will actually help overall model sales as there's no natural competition within the market segment. It's the rare instance where it makes sense.
In reply to captdownshift:
They'll probably direct you to this.
In reply to G_Body_Man:
Shooting brake is such a stupid berkeleying name, now they are calling them "sportbrake" ? Give me a berkeleying break. A wagon is a wagon is a wagon. And there is nothing wrong with a wagon.
In reply to G_Body_Man:
which will be at least 10K more as it's XF based, thus ruining the competitive advantage.
Ian F
MegaDork
1/11/17 12:50 p.m.
In reply to captdownshift:
Indeed. I like the V90 (which will apparently be available in "non-XC" trim if you do overseas delivery), but the $53K starting price is a bit hard to swallow.
Granted, if Volvo would see fit to produce the 2-door Concept Estate version of the V90, I'd be banging on the door yelling at them to take my money, almost price be-damned...
In reply to captdownshift:
Yup. Sadly, it looks like the F-pace will be the only XE-sized thing Jaguar will make with a hatch.
You can get the base engine with RWD
Or you can get the big engine with AWD
You can't get the base engine with AWD.
Which is why my mom decided against it, and why tens of thousands of other affluent housewives who don't need 350 hp to go to Wegman's and the Gym will not be buying one.
I like the XE too. With the demise of the SS, the XE is closer to the top of the list.
The wagon looks nice. But I prefer the sedan.
My personal experiences with the XE:
Diesels are very slow. The throttle response is non existent. You have to be in manual mode to shift it properly to keep it in the torque range. The transmission has no idea what it wants to do in regular mode. If you want to overtake someone on the highway, you give it more throttle and the transmission says "hmm... I wonder which gear I should be in to execute this... ah, maybe 3rd? Nah, 4th.."
There are numerous recalls right now. Nothing really safetywise, more just updates on their crummy infotainment screen. There is a charcoal cannister hose recall, other than that, all updates for the touch screen
The gas engine is decent.
I like the XE, probably as much as the F type. But if I had the money, my eyes would be at BMW or Lexus before Jaguar.
Oh, do not spill anything into the rotary dial gear selector or else you'd be screwed!!
In reply to DukeOfUndersteer:
That sounds like they're following the Forduar-era trend of the biggest, nicest Jags (XJ) being good and the smaller ones being mostly crap.
Cool. Roll on depreciation in 5 years.
I'll take mine burning petrol as the gods of automation decreed. Diesels should be banned for passenger cars. They suck donkey balls and belch E36 M3 out the back end. This is nothing to do with VW Dieselgate, just a permanent dislike of oil burners for cars. SUVs and Trucks actually used for towing and carrying big loads is different. Bring on the oil burners.
Nick (Bo) Comstock wrote:
In reply to G_Body_Man:
Shooting brake is such a stupid berkeleying name, now they are calling them "sportbrake" ? Give me a berkeleying break. A wagon is a wagon is a wagon. And there is nothing wrong with a wagon.
I freeking hate both terms (Shooting Brake and Sport Brake) with passion. Over the last few years they seem to have become increasingly popular with Anglophiles who think it makes them sound cool and knowledgeable and the auto manufactures have caught on pandering to them. As an actual born and bred Brit, the term is (or was) all but extinct. In the UK what we call wagons here are known as 'Estate cars' so the term people actually use is (was?) Estate. The only time you ever heard the term 'Shooting Brake' was respect to something like a 20's through 40's Bentley, not ever to do with anything built in the last 1/3 of the 20th century.
Acceptable use of the term Shooting Brake
This is known as an Estate when new along with ever other 'wagon' type vehicle, even if some toss pot at R&T called it a shooting brake.
even the Lancia Beta HPE, which looked like a shrunken version of the above XJ (when it wasn't biodegrading back to iron oxide) was not called a Shooting brake.. it was the "High Performance Estate"
Though, I have to say, even if I were to use the term "shooting brake" it would only be for non-four door estates. It would have to have only 2 doors plus the back opening for me to consider it a "Shooting brake"
Acceptable use of shooting brake :)
Ian F
MegaDork
1/12/17 10:38 a.m.
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
I seem to recall "Variant" is also a term used for wagons. I have a euro-diecast of my Jetta wagon, which is badged as a "Bora Variant"
Ian F wrote:
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
I seem to recall "Variant" is also a term used for wagons. I have a euro-diecast of my Jetta wagon, which is badged as a "Bora Variant"
And Avant and Touring etc. But they tended to be main land Europe. The UK which kinda invented the language we use here called them Estate cars. No of the others are wrong, but Shooting Brake is/was/should be a dead outdated term.
Ian F
MegaDork
1/12/17 11:03 a.m.
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
Don't disagree. For the record, I own a Volvo 1800ES - what many call a "shooting brake". I call the rusty thing a Wagon. I like wagons. 
