Just looking at the fact that you can get one with the 1LE package for under $30k brand new and was curious. Still a lot of money, but it's also likely to be one of the last new cars for that cheap that would actually be fun.
Just looking at the fact that you can get one with the 1LE package for under $30k brand new and was curious. Still a lot of money, but it's also likely to be one of the last new cars for that cheap that would actually be fun.
Randy Pobst has one, and has done ine or two videos on his YouTube channel about it. He absolutely loves it.
My dad had the 1LT 4cyl. I never got to really drive it in anger to see if it felt different than my V6 1LT, but it got over 42mpg On the highway.
The factory 1/4 mile time is 13.9 (the V6 is 13.7). I talked to a guy running E85 and a down pipe that was running 12.9, so there’s lots of potential in the motor.
If I'm not mistaken, the 2021 Camaro is the only muscle car that's available with a manual transmission with any of its engine offerings.
I see convertible 4 cylinder Camaros off-rental for very cheap money...granted, they're automatics, but beggars are rarely in a position to be choosy.
volvoclearinghouse said:If I'm not mistaken, the 2021 Camaro is the only muscle car that's available with a manual transmission with any of its engine offerings.
I just looked and you can still get a Mustang or a Challenger with manual transmissions.
they are also the lightest at like 3200lbs of all the pony cars atm
Didn't someone win there class at the SCCA nationals while back in a 4 cylinder camaro? There was something in GRM about it I think.
dean1484 said:Didn't someone win there class at the SCCA nationals while back in a 4 cylinder camaro? There was something in GRM about it I think.
that was a gm backed/they were gm engineers and went through turbos very quickly
In reply to dean1484 :
Here's that article: Got Boost? A Group of GM Employees Race a Four-Cylinder Camaro
The only way to get an LSD in the new Camaro is to buy a V8 or a manual transmission V6. Others are open diff and traction control. The 1LE may be the exception, shop carefully.
The V6 is far superior to the turbo 4. Found a new 1LE for very low 30's last fall. Nearly bought it but personal budget said no.
MrChaos said:dean1484 said:Didn't someone win there class at the SCCA nationals while back in a 4 cylinder camaro? There was something in GRM about it I think.
that was a gm backed/they were gm engineers and went through turbos very quickly
Engineers aren't always the best mechanics. Maybe there was some user error in that equation.
Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) said:The only way to get an LSD in the new Camaro is to buy a V8 or a manual transmission V6. Others are open diff and traction control. The 1LE may be the exception, shop carefully.
A clarification: The I4/V6 and regular SS (V8) models have a mechanical LSD. The SS 1LE and above have an e-diff, as in the trick type controlled electronically and is a real differential, not a brake based traction control system.
MrChaos said:dean1484 said:Didn't someone win there class at the SCCA nationals while back in a 4 cylinder camaro? There was something in GRM about it I think.
that was a gm backed/they were gm engineers and went through turbos very quickly
The D Street champion in 2017 was in a 2.0t RS Camaro.
Mark Scroggs, by over a second.
DirtyBird222 said:MrChaos said:dean1484 said:Didn't someone win there class at the SCCA nationals while back in a 4 cylinder camaro? There was something in GRM about it I think.
that was a gm backed/they were gm engineers and went through turbos very quickly
Engineers aren't always the best mechanics. Maybe there was some user error in that equation.
Not saying there weren't mistakes made, but they were running some sort of decidedly un-factory anti-lag that was known to be hard on turbos. Having GM backing made sourcing those replacements relatively trivial.
stuart in mn said:volvoclearinghouse said:If I'm not mistaken, the 2021 Camaro is the only muscle car that's available with a manual transmission with any of its engine offerings.
I just looked and you can still get a Mustang or a Challenger with manual transmissions.
Note I said "with any of its engine offerings". The Challenger requires you to get a V8 to get the manual transmission, and I had heard that the new MY Mustangs only offered a stick with the hot engine. I could be wrong about the Mustang, though, I got that info from a magazine article, not from the online configurator.
The Camaro's 4 banger is an Ecotec, which I think has decent reliability. The turbo obviously complicates matters, but it *should* still last 100-150k miles at least.
Still, I'd rather have those 275 horsies come courtesy of a ~270-300 cubic inch V8, just for the noises.
I would really only consider a 4 cylinder one, it's plenty fast enough and I am really not into the modern V8 muscle car part of the car scene at all. I have heard that some of the Ecotech cars go through several engines under warranty though so I am not sure how many issues they still have.
Does the Turbo-4 Camaro sound more like an Abarth 500 or an Ecoboost Mustang?
Oh by the way, don't rule out a Mustang Ecoboost High Performance Package with Handling Package. I drove one and it was absolutely brilliant and close in price to my GT.
The HPP car has the Focus RS Ecoboost which is a very different animal from the base EB car and it has the magneride and drive modes. Absolutely fabulous.
volvoclearinghouse said:stuart in mn said:volvoclearinghouse said:If I'm not mistaken, the 2021 Camaro is the only muscle car that's available with a manual transmission with any of its engine offerings.
I just looked and you can still get a Mustang or a Challenger with manual transmissions.
Note I said "with any of its engine offerings". The Challenger requires you to get a V8 to get the manual transmission, and I had heard that the new MY Mustangs only offered a stick with the hot engine. I could be wrong about the Mustang, though, I got that info from a magazine article, not from the online configurator.
The Camaro's 4 banger is an Ecotec, which I think has decent reliability. The turbo obviously complicates matters, but it *should* still last 100-150k miles at least.
Still, I'd rather have those 275 horsies come courtesy of a ~270-300 cubic inch V8, just for the noises.
I think you should have said "with all of its engine offerings", in that case. I read "Any" to mean that there isn't a single engine offering that you can get with a stick.
I was at a R&T track test where they were running around in four cylinder track cars. The paraphrased quote was "good car, too bad nobody will ever buy one because they'll just get the V8".
In reply to Loweguy5 (Forum Supporter) : It looks like those are ~$39k vs $30k for the Camaro, so although it's cool and probably more fun it's beyond what I could possibly make work.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
English is hard.
I just looked and there's a dealer near me with a bare bones 4 cylinder Camaro 6MT in that pretty blue they have for $23k. That's like $84 per horsepower.
according to the Chevrolet web site, a Camaro 1LT V6 manual is $1500 more than a 1LT turbo 4 manual.
So worth it. the V6 sings and revs like a true sports car while the turbo 4 grunts and moans then asks for a new turbo and head gasket at a huge cost....not to mention the turbo heat cooking everything under the hood.
Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) said:according to the Chevrolet web site, a Camaro 1LT V6 manual is $1500 more than a 1LT turbo 4 manual.
So worth it. the V6 sings and revs like a true sports car while the turbo 4 grunts and moans then asks for a new turbo and head gasket at a huge cost....not to mention the turbo heat cooking everything under the hood.
The V6, from what I've read, has its own issues- like timing chains crapping out, and ensuing engine carnage. I did rent a V6 automatic Camaro convertible about a year and a half ago, and I will agree, that powerplant just wanted to run. Coupled with the 10 speed and flappy paddles it was really fun to wring out.
*sigh* I guess there's just nothing left for it but to get the V8. 
Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) said:according to the Chevrolet web site, a Camaro 1LT V6 manual is $1500 more than a 1LT turbo 4 manual.
So worth it. the V6 sings and revs like a true sports car while the turbo 4 grunts and moans then asks for a new turbo and head gasket at a huge cost....not to mention the turbo heat cooking everything under the hood.
That's a bit overblown. They break pistons long before hurting the head gasket. Usually #4.
volvoclearinghouse said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
English is hard.
I just looked and there's a dealer near me with a bare bones 4 cylinder Camaro 6MT in that pretty blue they have for $23k. That's like $84 per horsepower.
That's cheap!
I'm only 60, so I haven't seen any of the GM 4 cylinder engines from the 1920's, but I've never encountered one that doesn't sound like a bag of rocks in a washing machine.
I just can't make myself trust them, and I'm a born and bred GM guy.
The v6 is better, in my mind, and the timing chains are pretty easy to do in a rwd chassis.
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