In reply to 759NRNG :
F1.com has an article about it now. It's. It super technical but maybe on tech Tuesday we will get some more?
In reply to 759NRNG :
F1.com has an article about it now. It's. It super technical but maybe on tech Tuesday we will get some more?
Mark, where did you find this info?
Autosport Hamilton explains Magic Button
I think it would have been a great battle between Ham and Checo if Ham would have made the first corner. Great job to Checo, who knows if he will be back next year, but he will make it a tough decision. Vettel ran a strong race, two races in a row with a strong result, maybe this will push him out of retirement mode. Gasly looks to check all the boxes and with a strong car he probably will be fighting for the championship, No Ferrari and the joke about him moving to Merc isn't going to happen. It would be a interesting dynamic, if he was bumped to RB. I wish Alpine had a better car, two french drivers would be interesting next year.
Not sure I buy into the cut tire, Checo is a master at preserving tires, and his tires were looking rough.
I don't think Checo would have been able to get past Lewis in two laps with no DRS, but he made it clear right from the line that he was going to make Lewis work for a win. Shame that didn't happen.
If this race had been at a modern track like COTA, Hamilton would have been able to pop back on the track after going wide at turn 1 and may not have lost more than a half dozen places. Right there is everything we love and hate about Tilke Tracks.
In reply to trigun7469 :
So Pirelli- small question- what kind of debris was it? Some sharp curbing? And wasn't this new tire compound supposed to be more robust? It's not as if there was any reasonable amount of CF on the track- people drove very clean races, all things considered (and given the practice and qualifying- that should be noted as a VERY positive thing by the drivers).
Hard to believe that reason.
I'm pretty skeptical of the debris claim, too. I know they had some tree branches falling and stuff like that, but the left rear tire in both cases? In the same basic part of the track? Experiencing the same basic loads? And no real contact to generate a bunch of stuff? And the second one happening after one would have assumed that a decent job would have been done of clearing debris from the track? It's not that I think they're trying to deflect blame from a crappy tire, it's just I think they're trying to deflect blame.
Also, I know it didn't really affect his race, puttering around with the Haas boys and all, but you gotta feel bad for Latifi. Telling him to stay out, stay out, stay out, stay out, I mean go through the pits but don't stop. Total blunder by the pit wall there and from the onboard it looked like he was a bit close for comfort to the recovery truck. That could have been pretty awful.
Keith Tanner said:I don't think Checo would have been able to get past Lewis in two laps with no DRS, but he made it clear right from the line that he was going to make Lewis work for a win. Shame that didn't happen.
If this race had been at a modern track like COTA, Hamilton would have been able to pop back on the track after going wide at turn 1 and may not have lost more than a half dozen places. Right there is everything we love and hate about Tilke Tracks.
Did you happen to watch the cup race? Ross Chastain got turned in 11, and drove through the island in the middle to pick up at least 10 spots. No harm, no foul said Nascar... He re-entered the track in the first, safest spot he could...
In reply to wae :
If it was debris, it makes sense that it would be at the same place in the track and the same tire, especially if the debris was wedged in something.
Gotta give RB credit for that radio call requesting a red flag. Although they could have also been trying to get the race stopped so Checo's car wouldn't have to be retired :)
Fernando Alonso Monster restart at Baku I wish one of the young drivers got his ride but good start to a strange sounding Renault.
Seeing as we all love to pile on Mazepin I couldn't believe what I saw when they cut to his onboard after he ran off into one of the overrun areas. Coming into the corner he's locked up and sliding wide but continues to add in more lock to make the corner even as he is sliding towards the wall. He never committed to the run off unitl he was in it even though it all went bad as soon as he was on the breaks and he was never going to make the corner. If he had just got off the brake a hair earlier that would've been the safety car that Stroll was waiting for and it would have been a very different race I bet. Somehow he didn't though.
I'd expect that sort of driving from someone at there first autocross or rallyx where there are just cones but watching someone do it at the top of motorsports just blew my mind.
Also, he almost took out his teammate on the final run down the straight as Mick had a run on him and was going by. What a dick.
I'm betting Vettel felt pretty good early on when he passed LeClerc on track and then to round it out with a second was great to see. He's not my favourite driver on track but I feel like out of all the drivers I would get along best with him off track (from what little we know/see).
Just painful to watch Hamilton shoot through turn one after such a strong restart!
Very happy for Perez! He would have been ahead of Max if his pitstop was faster. Nonetheless he did everything he needed to do to win.
Not a Vettel fan but the Force India strategy was good. They have made bad choices in the past but this time they made a good call. Stroll would have been right up there too. But tires...
Max drove well to get out in front. But tires.....
Williams! Ugh that was horrible. Hopefully they can get the team squared away before France.
I found it a great race. Great weekend actually. Yuki fell back at the restart from an awesome position. Both he and Gasly just kind of quietly held onto good spot that became one podium.
Ocon must hope he has a reliable car in France. He has done well getting points. Alonso made a fantastic restart to jump Ocon in the points but I kind of cheer for Ocon over Alonso.
As much as everyone wants to poo poo on Gasly and Albon. I think RB ended up changing the car based on how difficult the car was for two years. So Perez is getting to bask in the glow of their work. I would love for Albon to get a P1 drive sometime this year to see what he would do.
Like I hoped for on Sunday F1.com did the magic as its Tech Tuesday.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tuesday-what-is-the-magic-brake-setting-that-cost-hamilton-in-baku-and.79Mw4XSrxksy7jen3CE8FX.html
Pirelli just announced that they figured out why Stroll and Verstappen had tire issues at Azerbaijan.
TLDR: not a manufacturing error, but more of a freak accident that happened to the tires "in spite of the prescribed starting parameters having been followed."
Pirelli, in conjunction with the FIA, has completed the analysis of the left-rear tyres involved in the incidents that affected Lance Stroll and Max Verstappen during the recent Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
This analysis also took in the tyres used by other cars in the race, which had the same or a higher number of laps on them compared to the ones that were damaged. The process established that there was no production or quality defect on any of the tyres; nor was there any sign of fatigue or delamination. The causes of the two left-rear tyre failures on the Aston Martin and Red Bull cars have been clearly identified. In each case, this was down to a circumferential break on the inner sidewall, which can be related to the running conditions of the tyre, in spite of the prescribed starting parameters (minimum pressure and maximum blanket temperature) having been followed.
As a result of this analysis, Pirelli have submitted their report to the FIA and the Teams. The FIA and Pirelli have agreed a new set of the protocols, including an upgraded technical directive already distributed, for monitoring operating conditions during a race weekend and they will consider any other appropriate actions.
So...they basically overestimated the strength of the tires with those pressures and temps?
In reply to Colin Wood :
Can you imagine has this been a chronic problem in practice? Like the Indy debacle?
TLDR: Hamilton noticed in Spain that RB was removing their tire blankets much earlier than any other team. Part of Pirelli's new rules will be monitoring that.
-Rob
In reply to rob_lewis :
Imagine next year when there won't be tire blankets. That will be interesting.
edit- just looked up that they will be around for another two seasons... bummer.
KMag racing INDYCAR this weekend as a backup for Felix. So, the Haas boys are racing in the same series again.
https://mobile.twitter.com/arrowmclarensp/status/1405163420723433477?s=21
BTW, INDYCAR has been really exciting racing this year.
-Rob
rob_lewis said:KMag racing INDYCAR this weekend as a backup for Felix. So, the Haas boys are racing in the same series again.
https://mobile.twitter.com/arrowmclarensp/status/1405163420723433477?s=21
BTW, INDYCAR has been really exciting racing this year.
-Rob
I'm actually going to be at that race this weekend. Pretty pumped to see both KMag and Grosjean together again. Shoudl be fun.
There are multiple reports out there that Russell will replace Bottas in 2022. A couple are even suggesting a swap between Willams and Mercedes.
Saw Icon just signed a multi year extension through 2024.
Indy racing has been fantastic I agree.
The rumors have been there for a Russel/Bottos swap but seem to be getting louder.
Russell for Bottas is an obvious story to write, and it becomes more obvious every time Bottas has a weekend like last race. It wouldn't surprise me, Bottas is valuable to the team if he keeps bringing home the podiums and points even if he's not winning - but could George do that as well? Other than a few lapses in judgement, quite probably.
Keith Tanner said:So...they basically overestimated the strength of the tires with those pressures and temps?
What I've read is that they found a way around the cold pressure checks, hence F1 introducing a bunch of new parameters around tire checks for the French GP.
So essentially, they were still able to run the tires lower than Pirelli suggested.
z31maniac said:Keith Tanner said:So...they basically overestimated the strength of the tires with those pressures and temps?
What I've read is that they found a way around the cold pressure checks, hence F1 introducing a bunch of new parameters around tire checks for the French GP.
So essentially, they were still able to run the tires lower than Pirelli suggested.
Turns out some rules are there for a reason, I guess.
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